why some players using items that deal magic damage to champions that don't deal any of it.

DespairSlayer·Jun 11, 2019·2 votes·2,554 views

For example: some players use Guinsoo's Rageblade on vayne i know that it will apply an additional time for every third basic attack through it's passive (silver bolts) but Guinsoo's Rageblade passive makes Basic attacks deal 15 bonus magic damage on-hit.

Same with master yi some people use Guinsoo's Rageblade and Wit's End but their passive makes Basic attacks deal bonus magic damage on-hit.

( I know that all basic attack / auto attack deals physical damage and some of them scales by magic damage but i am confused xD)

So.. pls can anyone explain what's going on and thank you.

20 Comments

Dominion ChiJun 11, 20192 votes

it's basically anti-tank, they cant fully build against onhit.

More specifically.... Vayne: you get to proc her W every auto attack on a fully stacked rageblade....which is very good. Yi: i'm not sure but i think it has something to do with buffing his E.

Not going to go through all the champs, but you get the idea. Rageblade buffs something about the characters kit well enough to warrant it.

Edit: vayne: every other auto

RewtJun 11, 20192 votes

His E does True damage on Hit so the additional hit just means more true damage

RavenMagusJun 11, 20193 votes

It also stacks his passive quicker, which means more doublestrikes for more hits.

KFCeytronJun 11, 20191 votes

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it's basically anti-tank, they cant fully build against onhit.

More specifically.... Vayne: you get to proc her W every auto attack on a fully stacked rageblade....which is very good. Yi: i'm not sure but i think it has something to do with buffing his E.

Not going to go through all the champs, but you get the idea. Rageblade buffs something about the characters kit well enough to warrant it.

Getting a Silver Bolts hit with every auto would indeed be very good, but Rageblade only allows for a Silver Bolts hit with every other auto (which is still pretty good).

Dominion ChiJun 12, 20191 votes

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Getting a Silver Bolts hit with every auto would indeed be very good, but Rageblade only allows for a Silver Bolts hit with every other auto (which is still pretty good).

Oh yes true, my mistake, ty

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

Yeah.. got it, item 3124 it's made for those champions with on-hit effects but i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, That's why i opened a discussion about it...

Maybe item 3124 is broken.

voidscalerJun 11, 20191 votes

Rageblade is baught by champions with on hit effects (vayne yi etc) as it is a damage multiplier to those abilities The magic damage it does is very very secondary and could probably be removed and it would make no difference to who buys it

Wits end is baught for a number of reasons, it gives a lot of good defensive stats, with a lot of Mr and the life gain it's very good for fighting consistent magic damage dealers Additionally, pure Phys damage characters will often struggle Vs tanks, xin does pure physical damage so against an 800 armour rammus he won't do much, but that rammus won't have anywhere near as much Mr, so the magic damage dealt by wits will do a lot more damage then an equivalent amount of ad on top of the defensive stats being good in that case Lastly it's baught by champions like Yi who already have/want rageblade as again, the rageblade is a damage multiplier to "on hit" effects but not to strict "auto attack damage" meaning for champions with a rageblade on hit damage is often worth more then ad meaning the damage from items like wits end becomes very powerful

Champions aren't restricted to doing a single type of damage, and because of rageblade and other on hit effects, high attack speed champions benefit highly from doing both as it makes them very difficult to build against

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

The magic damage it does is very very secondary and could probably be removed and it would make no difference to who buys it

Yeh that's what makes me sure about this item item 3124 is broken.

Besides, i think it is more useful for Shyvana her basic attack can scales with magic damage and her abilities can be empowered by item 3124 other passives.

Anyway, thank you for the explanation.

Critmaster GarenJun 11, 20191 votes

i think what op actually wanted to ask here, is why its bought on champions without ap scalings when it has an ap component in its build path and ap on the item.

the answer is the same as to why item 3078 is built on Garen even though he doesnt use the mana, and doesnt use the attack speed very well.

the other stats and passives on the item are effective enough to make up for the loss in gold for the useless stats.

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

Aha.. got it Thanks for the explanation

Darkdemon653Jun 11, 20191 votes

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Same with master yi some people use Guinsoo's Rageblade and Wit's End but their passive makes Basic attacks deal bonus magic damage on-hit.

Why would dealing magic damage on each attack not be good just because a champion doesn't deal other magic damage?

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

No, i didn't said it isn't good. i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, that's what makes me thinking about another item that might be more useful to those champions.

Darkdemon653Jun 11, 20191 votes

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No, i didn't said it isn't good. i just hate it when i don't get all of the benefits from an item, that's what makes me thinking about another item that might be more useful to those champions.

Which part of Wit's End do Yi and Vayne not benefit from?

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

I don't think that Vayne can use item 3091 but Which part of Wit's End do Yi not benefit from is deals bonus magic damage on-hit but MasterYi does physical damage pure

Darkdemon653Jun 11, 20191 votes

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I don't think that can use but Which part of Wit's End do Yi not benefit from is deals bonus magic damage on-hit but does physical damage pure

Why would the type of damage it does not matching the type of damage his auto-attacks do matter?

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

Umm.. because it doesn't make sense xD

Look.. let's take an exemple, why some players using item 3078 on Garen and he doesn't use mana???

That's right he can benefit from the other passive from item 3078 but there's other items can be more useful for him better than

Critmaster GarenJun 12, 20191 votes

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Umm.. because it doesn't make sense xD

Look.. let's take an exemple, why some players using on and he doesn't use mana???

That's right he can benefit from the other passive from but there's other items can be more useful for him better than

garen (and most juggers in general) has one of the highest base ad values in the game. this makes the sheen procs exceptionally potent on him, since triforce sheen proc deals twice the champions base ad value in damage.

the burst he gets out of the sheen procs added to his q against squishy champions makes triforce a situationally very good item on him.

the same way, the double hit passive from item 3124 is so broken on Vayne with her w, that the loss of gold for ap on the item doesnt even matter.

DespairSlayerJun 12, 20191 votes

Aha.. thank you for the explanation

LovelleJun 11, 20191 votes

It makes them literally impossible to itemize against, since they're doing a ton of mixed damage. Auto-attack Champions, with strong on-hit abiilities, synergize well with such items.

DespairSlayerJun 11, 20191 votes

Aha.. thank you for the explanation