Kennen hasn't seen the light of day in ages.

Fèlix··5 votes·1,281 views

http://www.lolking.net/charts?region=all&type=champion-unpopularity&range=daily&map=sr&queue=normal

Literally at the lowest of the low. Is there any chance of him getting a gameplay update in the likes of Viktor and Cass? I really feel like Kennen's kit is so clunky and outdated, combined with RNG on his ult gimping his teamfights, makes him a rather lackluster pick. I miss the 2012/early 2013 era where Kennen was at his best. :(

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Earl Eulrich6 votes

I really like his kit (landing a well prepared instant stun really feels good on him), but I think the main thing holding him back is the limit of targets his ult suffers in early levels - making him a non-factor in early/midgame clashes if he doesn´t snwoball out of control in lane. There´s really no reason to keep his ult down that much for early teamfights since they nerfed his base-ad to tune his lanebullying down.

Fèlix2 votes

compared to newer champs and kits with much easier to land stuns. His stun feels so lack luster, and there is little follow up you can do after you land your stun. You have to land your Q to land your stun in the most cases. So that's your W and Q on cooldown after you land your stun. Now, your next two abilities require you to get into the enemies face. That is E and R. In the best case, you can use E and R and get the double stun, but in most cases this is near impossible in teamfights. I personally think he just needs a kit rework. His E and R are outdated and his W is weird.

AbiwonKenabi2 votes

Here's my personal opinion on it:

You can effectively compare Morgana and Kennen since they have somewhat similar kits, particularly their contrast between their long range harass and their up-close ults (Here I'll be using a mid Morgana for comparison). They are obviously different champions: Morg has her snare and her shield, Kennen has more mobility and stuns. Morgana has to get close and stay close in order to make the most of her ult, with only a long CD snare to keep them near. Kennen can get into the middle of the enemy much more quickly, and has a chance at multiple stuns besides. Assuming they will survive thanks to Zhonya's or whatever, Kennen's kit seems to be the superior at getting him into the enemy, disrupting them, and causing the most damage. Why is Kennen the less effective champion then?

Morgana's CC and damage on her ult is much more consistent. The ult just doesn't random decide who to ult: if you are in range, you will tether them. If you stay in range, they get the stun along with a large tick of damage. Kennen instead hits champions within his range randomly, so it isn't reliable at peeling, CCing, damaging, or anything that Morgana can do every time.

So what to change? We can look to another champion to help: Rumble. A while back, Rumble's Flamespitter was changed so that instead of randomly damaging people, it damaged in front of him in a regular cadence. Now, like Rumble, Kennen might have to be nerfed after, but we can do something similar for Slicing Maelstrom.

My proposed changelist:

Slicing Maelstrom

Duration = 3/4/5 sec --> 3 sec all ranks

new Mark of the Storm now applied every 0.5 sec

new Now hits all champions within range

Time between Bolts = 0.5/0.4/0.33 --> 0.25 at all ranks

Damage might need to be tweaked (most likely nerfed). I used Vel'Koz's ult as a basis, so the numbers may not be perfect, but this is the direction I think Kennen's ult should go. Regular cadence will make him more reliable, players can strategize with or against this, and it still has meaningful weaknesses (he has to get close).

Azlagor2 votes

while that is true to some extend, the bigger reason for morgana beeing played more than Kennen is that her Q grants a rather risk free 3sec lockdown and together with W a huge amount of damage from save distance, And her extremly powerfull shield, allowing her to save others or to save her self from cc, makeing it in manny cases actually easier for Mor to get into the enemy team than for Kennen, as Kennens biggest peoblem is eating tons off CC During E, preventing him from getting and staying in the enemy team for the Ult. Also, speaking of midlane, Morgana is alot saver as she can savely waveclear with W while having to much sustain from her passive to get harrased out of lane

Sire Hippington2 votes

He doesn't really need a rework, just some small buffs. His Ult should have 15 hits from the very beginning, not only 9, so he can effecktivly teamfight pre lvl 16 I also wouldn't mind some ap ratio on his W-AA proc for better dps...

And ad-ratio on Q and some left-over ms if u cancle E early would make ad Kennen viable, which would be great as i love ad-Kennen

IAmNeverViable1 votes

I personally felt that his kit is split apart. His range, q and w encourages lane bullying, atking from a distance. While his e and r wants to be close to the enemy. It's debatable about his e fits with his laning bullying because it is a escape incase he get caught out. Overall I felt his ult does not offer must synergy regard to his lane bullying. His ult felt like a more fitted into a tank or bruiser kit.

AbiwonKenabi1 votes

A similar thing could be said about Morgana, as she has to remain close to enemies with only a spell shield to protect herself. Yet she is a popular pick right now--at least in the support role, although I see her mid sometimes too.

So what's the difference here? What does Kennen need that Morgana already has?

Sir Vejeiro1 votes

I like Kennen but i think hes way too weak in some ways.

Stuns are awesome specially when ranged so he bully at distance and if he gets engaged he can use his Lightning Rush to escape or dash forward, use his Electrical Surge stunning the enemy(s) but the finalization is what makes him kinda weak because he, after all that, will use his Maelstorm, skill that, i wont say its worst than Gangplank ult but in my opinion is not that helpful specially early game and still not that great late game.

All his skills scales with AP what dont really help if you want to have fun as ADC.

Hes an squishy mage w/o a big burst.

His advantage is also his weakness, he cant spam skills since he uses energy, what recovers fast but the skills cost are kinda high for the full combo.

RagnarokChu1 votes

His last nerfs were

Base Attack Damage at level 1 reduced to 50.5 from 54.6 Mark of the Storm Mark duration reduced to 6 seconds from 8

after getting a 25 ms buff

before the 25 ms buff was a -25 range to 575 to 550

Which knocked him out along with alot of itemization patches since season 2/3ish.

He isn't bad but is somewhat lack luster, we can revert any of the nerfs or modernize his kit by making his ulti work faster or some energy cost changes.

Hey Im Will1 votes

Those are the normal queue stats for him.... not the ranked. Kennen is a powerful champion I don't see what's wrong with him really.

Xyphios1 votes

Honestly he doesnt need an update .He just needs a buff cuz his AP ratio on all his abilities(but ult) is bad. They could just raise them and then he is fine probably.

EvilRabbitt1 votes

His passive procs sooner than Annie, but its not spammable. So for what you want there. Just thought I'd add the tidbit. I used him in Ascension a few times, he has very decent dueling potential if you keep your head about you. Laning wise, I'm unsure. Q poking seems strong, and going Gunblade (hextech and gunsho) works for dueling....my 2 cents. I don't plan to get him though he was on free week. Wasn't as impressive as others....

Fèlix1 votes

all good comments. I just personally believe his kit is outdated and could benefit from a general update. Though a revert of his most recent nerfs could also help.

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