Fizz less that 35 ap and one shot lux.

evilrek·Apr 7, 2018·3 votes·1,037 views

Hello, I want to ask something, is it ok to oneshot a lux being fizz with just 32~ ap? Since I recently played a match agaist Fizz and it was like damnnn son, what is that damage. If I remember well that was not even posible, since Fizz got the neft to deal that damage only if it hits all his combo. So, I dont know if it is something that Riot changed recently or this champ got buffed that much. And if Fizz can do that, then why cant do that other assassins champs like leblanc or evelynn? And sorry for the video quality, my computer is a potato :)

20 Comments

Baron BarianApr 7, 20185 votes

You're math is terrible. That's an ult, 2 abilities, an electrocute, an ignite, and what might have been an auto attack. That's more like a 6-shot.

RatpieApr 8, 20181 votes

I am with you on this. So sick of people calling a chain of attacks 1 shotting. 1 shot is when a stacked Veigar kills you with just an ult.

I do agree with the above comment though about the new rune system. Early game against most assassins is so insane, because they can take 2/3 of your life in one barrage without even having an ult yet. Then the next barrage can kill you, so you either risk an early death, or have to back and get behind. I am not sure if it is an increase in early damage, or a decrease in mitigation that is making the difference. It used to be that pre-6 someone would have to poke you down, and then they could go in with a combo to seal the kill. Now it is death in a single combo from some champs. If it were even across the champs, I would be fine, but a lot of champs jsut have no answer for that early pressure.

AnomanderApr 7, 20183 votes

He prolly had a sheen and I am sure he had a double proc in a full combo while landing ult on a squishy. While I do think that early game burst needs to be toned down some, this was just a full all in with double sheen procs, ignite and electrocute from a Assassin.

ViciousSummonerApr 7, 20183 votes

He blew everything though.

Mid range ult + Ignite + Q + Electrocute + W active proc + E + W passive proc + 1 AA + Sheen

Mid range ult 225 + 80% AP.

Rank 3 E is 170 + 75% AP.

20 + 40% AP over 3s from W passive. 60 + 120% AP from W active proc.

Lv 6 Ign 205 true dmg.

Lv 6 electrocute 100 + 30% AP.

Q 10 + 55% AP + 70 physical damage.

AA for 70 physical damage.

Sheen proc for 70 physical damage.

251.4 + 194.75 + 99.6 + 99.6 + 109.9 + 28.15 = 783.4 magic damage

70 + 70 + 70 = 210 physical damage

783.4 + 210 + 205 = 1198.4 total damage

Lux lv 6 HP 849.5 or 850 because it usually rounds up

The above Lux also had no bonus MR or HP items/effects only a dark seal and lost chapter during this point

The above damage is of course calculated without putting resistances into factor. However, even if you did it wouldn't matter because it's still more than enough to kill.

Edit: Didn't see Fizz had Cheap Shot so that's like +17 true dmg for 1215 total damage.

evilrekApr 7, 20181 votes

he did not used w, so there was no damage from w, did you see the video?

InfernapeApr 7, 20182 votes

Excluding his W active, he would've done over 1000 damage. Lux had no MR, and didn't even take barrier. She was dead from the moment he ulted her.

ViciousSummonerApr 8, 20182 votes

His R applies his W and his W has 3 parts. It has a passive, active, and an active passive.

AnomanderApr 8, 20181 votes

It is a double sheen proc as q would apply it and then again after he e'ed.

ViciousSummonerApr 8, 20182 votes

Watched the replay he only procced it once. I double checked on that one just to make sure the first time haha.

Nut on my ButtApr 7, 20182 votes

He had a sheen, and Lux didn't shield, so this is normal.

He landed his entire combo, and yes, LeBlanc and Evelynn can do that with their entire combos as well. Evelynn doesn't even need full combos later in the game and can oneshot squishies instantly from stealth, so she pays for it with her weak early game and large rank 1 ult cd unfortunately.

ArammusApr 7, 20181 votes

well i mean fizz is an assassin. the ult is a typical ult. it hurts a lot. and he prob maxed e which also does a ton of dmg.

but yea. ap assassins are weird.

TempName74814Apr 7, 20181 votes

that's what you get for picking lux

Step Sis LuxApr 7, 20181 votes

OF course its sick and they should nerf him but poeple still gonna say he is in good place. Because one shoting without any ap items is so normal right

SwiftKitten88Apr 7, 20181 votes

i have been saying it for ages.. but its not ONLY the items... its the RUNES, ever since "keystones" were added damage has gone through the roof, and with the new mysteries that riot us calling "runes reforged" it is absolutely absurd.

ViciousSummonerApr 8, 20181 votes

Old runes and masteries:

20 to 36 AP at Lv 1 no Doran's 35 to 51 AP at Lv 1 w/Doran's

Standard 12-18-0 Thunderlord's Decree 2% ability damage 10 + (1 x level) bonus damage +0.444 AD +0.667 AP per level 3-5% damage increase 3% damage increase on low HP targets 2% damage increase when 1 v 1 3% target's current HP magic dmg +6 lethality + 1.5 magic pen per level 10 per level + 30% bonus AD + 10% AP

First one is w/51 AP and second is w/35 AP.

+4.6 AD +7 AP Lv 6 Natural Talent 74.6 AD and 42/58 AP

Mid range ult 225 + 80% AP. Rank 3 E is 170 + 75% AP. 20 + 40% AP over 3s from W passive. 60 + 120% AP from W active proc. Lv 6 Ign 205 true dmg. Q 10 + 55% AP + 74.6 physical damage. AA for 74.6 physical damage. Sheen proc for 74.6 physical damage. 10 + 6 Fresh Blood mastery. TLD 60 + 1.4 + 5.8 = 67.2 magic dmg

265.8 + 213.5 + 129.6 + 129.6 + 41.9 + 67.2 = 847.6 74.6 x 3 + 16 = 239.8

+10% 263.78 Phys 932.36 Magic

1196.14 total damage + 205 from ignite = 1401 total damage dealt w/58 AP.

258.6 + 201.5 + 110.4 + 110.4 + 33.1 + 65.6 = 779.6 74.6 x 3 + 16 = 239.8

+10% 263.78 Phys 857.56 Magic

1121.34 total damage + 205 from ignite = 1326 total damage dealt w/42 AP.

With new runes the total damage is only 1215.

I mean my math may not be correct (give or take I'm like 100 damage off), but how are new runes OP and overloaded again? Last I checked 1326 and 1401 are bigger numbers than 1215 while they're positive and not taken into other forms of context. Even if you account for my math and take off about 100 dmg they're still higher. So please do try to prove otherwise.

SwiftKitten88Apr 8, 20181 votes

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Old runes and masteries:

20 to 36 AP at Lv 1 no Doran's 35 to 51 AP at Lv 1 w/Doran's

Standard 12-18-0 Thunderlord's Decree 2% ability damage 10 + (1 x level) bonus damage +0.444 AD +0.667 AP per level 3-5% damage increase 3% damage increase on low HP targets 2% damage increase when 1 v 1 3% target's current HP magic dmg +6 lethality + 1.5 magic pen per level 10 per level + 30% bonus AD + 10% AP

First one is w/51 AP and second is w/35 AP.

+4.6 AD +7 AP Lv 6 Natural Talent 74.6 AD and 42/58 AP

Mid range ult 225 + 80% AP. Rank 3 E is 170 + 75% AP. 20 + 40% AP over 3s from W passive. 60 + 120% AP from W active proc. Lv 6 Ign 205 true dmg. Q 10 + 55% AP + 74.6 physical damage. AA for 74.6 physical damage. Sheen proc for 74.6 physical damage. 10 + 6 Fresh Blood mastery. TLD 60 + 1.4 + 5.8 = 67.2 magic dmg

265.8 + 213.5 + 129.6 + 129.6 + 41.9 + 67.2 = 847.6 74.6 x 3 + 16 = 239.8

+10% 263.78 Phys 932.36 Magic

1196.14 total damage + 205 from ignite = 1401 total damage dealt w/58 AP.

258.6 + 201.5 + 110.4 + 110.4 + 33.1 + 65.6 = 779.6 74.6 x 3 + 16 = 239.8

+10% 263.78 Phys 857.56 Magic

1121.34 total damage + 205 from ignite = 1326 total damage dealt w/42 AP.

With new runes the total damage is only 1215.

I mean my math may not be correct (give or take I'm like 100 damage off), but how are new runes OP and overloaded again? Last I checked 1326 and 1401 are bigger numbers than 1215 while they're positive and not taken into other forms of context. Even if you account for my math and take off about 100 dmg they're still higher. So please do try to prove otherwise.

first off that is a lot of math, [sg-zephyr] however did u take into account all 6 masteries in effect?

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i have been saying it for ages.. but its not ONLY the items... its the RUNES, ever since "keystones" were added damage has gone through the roof, and with the new masteries that riot us calling "runes reforged" it is absolutely absurd.

also i did specifallyu say ever since KEYSTONES where added damage went through the roof

and they were added season? 5 i think

i meant THESE masteries werent "op"

http://abccbaandy.github.io/league-S4mastery-calc/

ViciousSummonerApr 9, 20181 votes

If you mean the Fizz above, he's only getting +18 AP, Electrocute, and Cheap Shot off of his runes.

I mean S4 did technically have keystones although they weren't as strong because they were pretty basic. We still had overloaded damage then though as well. Mostly from items and high damage ratios.