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Supports and Gold (or lack there of)

RuGu·Feb 9, 2015·2 votes·452 views

I feel let down after the big changes at the beginning of season 4 with "We want to get supports more gold!"

It still feels as though there just aren't enough ways to earn gold as a support, especially in the pro play. Some of those games have the support behind 4k gold compared to their next closest team mate. If you are going to balance the game around the professionals playing it, shouldn't you look at the gold differential as well?

I guess I don't understand the logic behind starving the support character. Would there be a huge problem if a support could generate similar gold as a carry?

I think there needs to be a mastery / runes / support item that give % discounts at the store or something. I'd like to see supports actually get to their 3rd and 4th item once in a while.

I'm just not sure where to even begin to analyze the problem, or if I just need to accept the fact that supports are more about their utility they bring to the team from their kits than any meaningful itemization.

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DisasterSolaFeb 9, 20151 votes

Because most supports, when give nthe gold, become overpowered in the support role (Being able to secure and set up kills are a much higher efficiency) or transition from support to carry (See morgana and lux) because theyre mage primaries.

Riot has so many sub classes that one sub class benefits from an item for a weaker sub class.

Like.... Say you have "Close range" as the main type, and the following sub-types.

fighters (High damage, medium mobility, and medium durability) Knights (Low damage, low mobility, very high durability) And Duelists (Very high single target damage, high mobility, low durability)

And an item is created to adress the duelists low durability. The item created for the duelist, raising their durability to "high", turns the fighters and knights durability into something much, much higher than what they were intended to have; making them only need the one defensive item and being able to build much more damage.

Its the sole reason why we cant buff tanks without buffing bruisers. Any buff to one sub class, unless hyper-specialized and tailor especially well, will also buff the already strong bruiser class.

RuGuFeb 10, 20151 votes

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Because most supports, when give nthe gold, become overpowered in the support role (Being able to secure and set up kills are a much higher efficiency) or transition from support to carry (See morgana and lux) because theyre mage primaries.

Riot has so many sub classes that one sub class benefits from an item for a weaker sub class.

Like.... Say you have "Close range" as the main type, and the following sub-types.

fighters (High damage, medium mobility, and medium durability) Knights (Low damage, low mobility, very high durability) And Duelists (Very high single target damage, high mobility, low durability)

And an item is created to adress the duelists low durability. The item created for the duelist, raising their durability to "high", turns the fighters and knights durability into something much, much higher than what they were intended to have; making them only need the one defensive item and being able to build much more damage.

Its the sole reason why we cant buff tanks without buffing bruisers. Any buff to one sub class, unless hyper-specialized and tailor especially well, will also buff the already strong bruiser class.

I understand this,

but supports like Morgana and Lux; while eventually becoming secondary mages still do not bring the same thing to the fight as say Thresh or Leona.

I think support would be the easiest way to make sure they other classes don't abuse the extra gold generation.

Like if the ultility tree's final upgrade was 10% discount at the shop.

would a lot of adc's being willing to sacrifice 21-9-0 for a 9-0-21?

I doubt it.

BluePolarizerFeb 10, 20151 votes

lol bruisers strong? Any ADC can kite them indefinitely in team fights. Good luck dealing even 1 damage to a Vayne or Lucian as Darius or Nasus.

DisasterSolaFeb 10, 20151 votes

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lol bruisers strong? Any ADC can kite them indefinitely in team fights. Good luck dealing even 1 damage to a Vayne or Lucian as Darius or Nasus.

you think darius and nasus are bruisers? Hah. Try xin, renekton, and lee.

@rugu I dont think a total revamp of the utility tree is worthwhile - although that 10% discount would be something -. I think that more g/5 items (g/5 - not 10) is the way to go; with items like avarice blade building INTO stronger, cheap items that are also gold income.

BluePolarizerFeb 10, 20151 votes

Maybe in low elo where Xin, Renekton and Lee can get super fed, but in general, they can't touch ADCs. Just watch some LCS games, there's a reason no one picks Xin and Lee builds full tank. Even during the Feral Flare days, Xin had the lowest win rate of all flare junglers in LCS because he'd gap close onto an ADC, then the ADC disengages with an escape and kites him indefinitely with red buff, and kills him before E is back up.

DisasterSolaFeb 10, 20151 votes

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Maybe in low elo where Xin, Renekton and Lee can get super fed, but in general, they can't touch ADCs. Just watch some LCS games, there's a reason no one picks Xin and Lee builds full tank. Even during the Feral Flare days, Xin had the lowest win rate of all flare junglers in LCS because he'd gap close onto an ADC, then the ADC disengages with an escape and kites him indefinitely with red buff, and kills him before E is back up.

Ooookay. Clearly you dont understand why bruisers are strong, and if you think winrate = good/bad... Lol.

Bruisers include but are not limited to; Vi Jarvan Lee sin Renekton Xin zhao Volibear Mundo Udyr Shyvana

A bruiser is a champion who has high durability+high damage. Theyre the reason why we cant buff tanks; because any buff to a tank item also buffs bruisers. And riot has no idea what to do about bruisers.

BluePolarizerFeb 10, 20151 votes

I'm a jg/top main. Think I don't know anything about bruisers lol? Maybe not diamond, but I probably know something after hitting gold 1 last season.

A buff to items like Liandry's Torment, Righteous Glory, Enchantment: Juggernaut, Spirit Visage and Abyssal Scepter buffs tanks greatly since mids and bruisers usually don't buy those items though debatable on Visage.

Riot has plenty of ideas what to do with bruisers - they buff ADCs lol.

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