Zed is one of the most op champions in the game.

Naneroh·Jan 18, 2019·3 votes·2,866 views

has the ability to just poke you from far from his weq combo and there is nothing you can do if you. Like sure if i get I can put a stop to his bullshit Xerath range combo and if i get he can't do shit but the ap you get on hourglass sucks and delays your powerspike by 10 minutes which by that time the enemy just finished infinity edge so now the game is basically lost. Zed also can just 1 shot squishy champions and goes untargetable and skillfully dodges my cc. No champion should be able to 1 shot another except for mages because...they are fucking mages they throw cosmic energy at you how tf are you not supposed to get 1 shot by it. Zed also has the skillfull passive that deals extra damage to low health enemies like wtf is last hitting with this guy? Zed needs to either be deleted from the game or reworked into an actually balanced champion like .

52 Comments

QuáxJan 18, 20196 votes

" No champion should be able to 1 shot another except for mages" Do you not know what the word ASSASSIN MEANS. It means FUCKING KILL. Assassins are specifically designed to 1 shot if you don't like it get out.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20192 votes

assassins one shot juggernauts/tanks that doesnt sound right. i mean if anything that sounds pretty broken if you say it like that.

QuáxJan 18, 20192 votes

Well, that's not the assassins fault, there this thing called lethality, armor Penn, they're items that the champion is supposed to build. They're items. If you want an answer to your juggernaut 1 shotting claim, then the answer is to remove lethality.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20193 votes

even if it is assassins dont/shouldnt auto win vs tanky champs in no universe. due to the yin/yang nature they have.

QuáxJan 18, 20194 votes

No, they don't auto-win vs tanks. As a person who mains Zed and has practiced/knows everything about him. It takes a lot of armor Penn/ Lethality before the assassin can win the duel. Tanks are pretty damn strong right now, I mean look at Ornn, or Nasus, or fucking Sion. Most of the time when it comes to Assassin vs Tank, it ends in a stalemate, The assassin cant do his full combo for the one shot because the assassin is too tanky, and the tank can never win because it doesn't have enough damage. Plus, Tanks aren't meant to Duel, look at any of the 3 Tanks I just listed and tell me they're more effective in a 1v1 vs a team fight/ split pushing

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

malphite plain and simple

QuáxJan 18, 20192 votes

Malphite has an AOE knock up, that can fuck an entire team fight for the enemy. He's not designed to 1v1 unless you're building AP.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

you go hybrid ap and armor then hp/ap but focus armor/hp mainly

QuáxJan 18, 20192 votes

Well, then you get the best of both worlds. But malphite was made to be horrifying in team fights. Hence, his ultimate. But at the same time, Malphite sucks right now, nobody plays Malphite and while he has a decent win rate of 51.4. He's not all that great with scaling unless like I said you're building full AP.

NanerohJan 18, 20193 votes

Lethality sucks at the current moment.

NanerohJan 18, 20194 votes

yo hold tf up. Imma have to drop the dumbass act for a minute here. No assassin auto wins against juggernauts. in fact Juggernauts pretty much auto win on all assassins. Even with Lethalility there is no way Zed can kill a Darius, Garen, Nasus, Illaoi, urgot, etc unless he is 10/0.

ZackTheWaffleManJan 18, 20191 votes

I thought that Assassins were designed to kill low-health/highly squishy enemies and get out cleanly

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

That's true. Assassins like Zed and Katarina suck right now because it's really hard to kill people when they have access to shields and armor/mr while also having weak stats due to being designed as outplay champions. The only way to actually carry games is to have an insane kda. But keep this between us.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

no dude assassins should not 1 shot people. Mages should. Even if you are right your post will get mass downvoted by mage mains soon and no one will see this comment.

QuáxJan 18, 20192 votes

Assassin's are designed to 1 shot. Let's take a champion like Talon. He has a 2 dashes/blinks w/e his E is classified as. He has great roaming power to go bot lane and pick up kills. Assassins are high mobility damage dealers, that are squishy. Their whole purpose is to get 1 kill and get out. Typically using combos, and almost all their abilities and summoner spells. Are you new to this game? Plus mages have several classifications. Utility mages, and assassin mages. A utility mage is someone like Orianna or Karma, An assassin mage is someone like Katarina, and maybe Zoe. But like all classes, they have a weakness. If an assassin gets locked down, they are more dead than Han Solo. If someone like Lissandra ults them, they're dead, if someone like Zoe E's them, they're dead. If someone like Ryze W's them, they're gonna take a lot of damage and/or die. You're just whining because you probably lost to a Zed who genuinely outplayed you.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

Assassins are meant to kill 1 person? Lul sure and Cho'gath is a tank. And by mages I mean all of them. Anyone ap. Because ad champs are rito's babies and need extra care. And I in fact didn't lose to a Zed.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

QuáxJan 19, 20191 votes

Really dude? How long have you played this game? Assassins are meant to be single target, and let's look at the evidence of all of the assassins to prove my point so buckle up cowboy.

First, Assassins are put in solo lanes, specifically mid the center point of the map

Zed: Q a single target shuriken that does more damage on the first enemy hit Zed: W designed to get out some poker with his Q and slow with his E making it easier to catch up to people, also fucntions as a dash to get into the backline to kill the adc Zed E: a short ranged AOE slash that has its cd reduced every person it hits, Also slows when cast by the shadow Zed R: A point and click single target ability that does more damage to the person the more abilities they get hit by and the more damage they take

Next up talon

Passive: A 3 hit mark on one person Q: a single target dash that causes the enemy to bleed W: A slow that can give 2 stacks on his [passive if both hit, landing a lot of damage E: A roaming ability and escape ability, this can be used to go to lanes quicker, go to bot lane and get 1/2 kills R: GOES INVISIBLE and gains movement speed, then decided to run at the backline because he can

Next up Akali

Passive: Legit more damage on an auto attack Q: A very short cone blast ability that heals W: TRUE STEALTH, that allows her to dive towers easily and get away from situations E: A dash that follows you through any terrain, also single target ability R: 2 dashes, one of which slows, and the other is an execute

Next Ekko

Passive: A 3 hit passive onto someone that gives him movement speed Q: Like talons W except worse, if landed correctly gives you 2 passive stacks W: and AOE stun, that if caught out will ruin your life, can also be good for escaping ganks E: A single target Dash that does damage R: A button to fix your mistakes

Yasuo Passive: Sheild Q: a(pretty much) single target slash, and a knockup W: blocks all projectiles E: Single target dash R: Screws over a person he sees and also gives him bonus damage on his AA's for the next 10 seconds

KhaZix

P: Punishes you for being alone Q: single target slash that can be upgraded into a better single target slash W: A skill shot that can heal him and slows enemies(can be upgraded to hit more enemies and give a better heal) E: A leap that goes farther than my father(can be upgraded to let him leap again if he kills someone) R: Invisibility

Rengar P: legit allows him to give the enemy a heart attack Q: single target strike W: Cleanse/restores health/ tiny AOE Ap scaling kitty roar E: Single target slow/root R: Do I even need to explain this one

Kayn:

Q: a slash W: a slow/knockup E: allows him to go through walls R: OH YES DADDY(he dashes and becomes in alpha for a few seconds)

Kassadin:

Q: Gives him a shield W: bonus attack on the next ability E: A slow R: A blink every 2 seconds

Fizz: Q: single target dash W: Rends an enemy E: A giant "fuck you" to the enemy R: throws out a fish to one person to where a massive shark spawns

Everlynn:

If you can't tell that this person is all about killing one person you need to check up

Nocturn: Q: Single target darkness and that leaves a trail that gives him extra movement speed W: Spell shield E: Fears a single enemy R: A single target dash that also gives the enemy a seizure

Pyke: Q: A single target hook W: An invis ability to help get into the back line potentially E: A dash that also stuns R: An execute ability

Ok so now tell me that assassins based on their abilites, all dont have a dash to engage/ get away, a ton of single traget abilites and some sort of unique ability to them. Youve lost this case dude, you're being downvoted. Admit you're wrong an lets move on.

NanerohJan 19, 20191 votes

holy shit dude read the other damn comments I dropped the dumbass act a long time ago, how dense can you be? do you honestly believe I don't think assassins aren't meant to 1 shot people? Look at my damn match history in the site right here and tell me who I main and why this is a level 10 account.

hazerddexJan 18, 20191 votes

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" No champion should be able to 1 shot another except for mages" Do you not know what the word ASSASSIN MEANS. It means FUCKING KILL. Assassins are specifically designed to 1 shot if you don't like it get out.

^ this also this is why you build safty net items when the enemy team has assasins. these two items item 3157 item 3026 basically render his r useless damage dealers should be building them when fighting a zed.

also hourglass is a good ap item

sincerely

a Xerath main

Doge2020Jan 18, 20195 votes

His dash is also at a 25 second CD in the early game, which puts him in a very vulnerable position for a gank if your midlane baits it out.

Learn how to dodge his q, when to trade and when to not fight and you will have better chances of winning against zed.

Just so you know I am not a mid lane main, I know a few of Zed’s weaknesses but I am not an expert with fighting against him.

Death by GlamourJan 18, 20192 votes

unpopular opinion, he is by far and away the fairest assassin to play against

strange how you say talon is balanced while he is widely regarded as the best or second best assassin besides this bitch Leblanc

NanerohJan 18, 20192 votes

It is an unpopular opinion. Which is why I'm making this post to see how many likes I can get because other posts seem to get over 100 likes. Just look at my match history no level 10 account rushes Zed and stomps on their first game. I say Talon is balanced to mock the boards because they were complaining about Zed being OP for 3 patches while Talon was S tier and pick/ban and no one batted an eye until some pro player was like "hey guys, Talon is op" and the boards blew up about Talon a week before he was getting nerfed.

Tbh I find LeBlanc fine except for her chain length. She can chain Xerath longer than his ult range.

boricCentaur1Jan 18, 20192 votes

Is this a troll post? like you say there nothing you can do vs wqe but you can dodge it pretty easily then you say the ap on item 3157 sucks but it is 75ap like wtf that is 15ap less then item 3285 im just going to assume you're trolling.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

Of course not. I over exaggerate everything and say Zed gets shut down by seekers. (Which is true) this is definitely not post of satire.

AnomanderJan 18, 20192 votes

Assassins are designed to kill and kill quickly. This doesn't mean no counter-play or 1 shot.

There are currently no champions that actually 1 shot anyone.(excluding infinite scaling)

There are champions who lack imo enough counter-play. Zed is one.

There can be a valid discussion about the place and effectiveness of champions without the extreme on both sides.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

you can't just exclude infinite scaling champs. If you can exclude them I can exclude every champion.

RysophageJan 19, 20192 votes

This is bait. this has to be bait.

NanerohJan 19, 20191 votes

this was meant to bait out the Zed haters but it backfired hard.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

look at it this way play a lockdown champ so you can help your team instead of a kill heavy mid laner ekko is a good example. he has a slow/stun if u land it then theres a slow on his q finally you get a 2nd chance on your ult that could heal you or hurt assassins or better yet both. if theres more lockdown styled champs you should try them in your game or you can play the skill matchup of fizz vs zed.

Doge2020Jan 18, 20191 votes

Hmm would ap nasus work? Just constantly push the wave and poke the zed so he can’t all in you or go roam. And nasus’s Wither will fuck the zed up if zed messes up and zed’s w is on CD. The extra resistances from Nasus’s ult will help massively against the zed too

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

yes it could in theory at 1st. as soon as you get lvl 3 e or something (with ult) adding in ap tank items (zhonyas rod of ages stuff) you can floor/delete others like assassin champs (excluding kinda Leblanc due to her ap nature then you have to go hp/mr/ap to live) with e try to maintain stacks though it pains me to see missed stacks.

Doge2020Jan 18, 20191 votes

The main point of ap nasus or lane shove nasus is that you don’t give a shit about stacks lol. You can become a battlemage with a very low CD E and spam e from range, or you can go lichbane and do ap splitpush nasus. Building ap and getting stacks is actually very good against towers because lichbane deals more damage than Tri when you have a bunch of ap and the stacking nature of nasus’s Q.

With prob 500 AP, around 400 stacks and a lichbane you can most likely oneshot an outer turret. Added bonus if you get a mountain drake or two.

Missing stacks isn’t that big of a deal if they are only melee/ranged minions. Cannons have and always will be the main target when stacking during the early lane.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

im just a very stickler for perfection when it comes to stacks even when going ap. its just a me thing. in other words ill stack when i can but if i cant ill settle with poking them to death while ignoring the stacks due to i cant even stack anyways. plus his q is mana efficient anyways if a melee diver gets you then you can counter it with your stacks/lichbane as a fallback plan.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

wait i just read the top end lol i didnt read middle or bottom text.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

No Zed is too broken for anyone to actually do anything.

ZackTheWaffleManJan 18, 20191 votes

Malphite Take Comet and Resolve with 2 adaptive force, 1 armor, manaflow band, conditioning, etc. Start DRing. Rush Zhonya's if you're ahead, Sunfire if you're behind. The Zed will hate his life

Doge2020Jan 18, 20191 votes

If that is true then anybody with any lvl of skill can pick zed up and immediately win games. But I have seen people lose hard on zed, and his statistics show that he isn’t broken to the point that nobody can do anything against him.

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

Zed is too op if i lock him down he ults and kills me with auto attacks like an adc.

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20192 votes

zeds aa speed is slow if you hard burst/cc him if he hard dives with ult at the point he spawns out his damage is null hes dependant on his q to leave marks. play zed sometime u will understand the ez/hard parts

NanerohJan 18, 20191 votes

Why tf would Zed hard dive me when he knows I can cc him? I dont think people are that dumb. Plus look at my match history :).

xDogMeatxJan 18, 20191 votes

because some people do that

shockprimexJan 18, 20191 votes

nice match history m8.

QuáxJan 18, 20191 votes

What match history LOL

SyrileJan 19, 20191 votes

Talon is a much less balanced champion actually. I am not a fan of Zed. I think he has the same problem that most assassins do. However, he is more balanced than Talon by a huge margin. And LeBlanc is literally one-shot over a wall with no counterplay and she gets back out safe. :D

NanerohJan 19, 20191 votes

I dropped the dumbass act a while ago here after getting dumb replies. I said Talon was balanced to mock players who don't give af if Talon has a 100% winrate while Zed has a 1% winrate.

SyrileJan 20, 20191 votes

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I dropped the dumbass act a while ago here after getting dumb replies. I said Talon was balanced to mock players who don't give af if Talon has a 100% winrate while Zed has a 1% winrate.

Hmm. Maybe it is all a joke. Maybe not. I just had to comment on how poorly designed Talon is. :) Zed is annoying at best but should probably have his kit tweaked. Talon is just a travesty.

NanerohJan 21, 20191 votes

yeah lol this was meant to mock them Zed haters out there who don't look at facts and say nonsense in the comments. Like look at my match history (on the site) I immediately rush Zed and say he is op like lmao.

I agree, Talon is weirdly designed early game but i find that if his W or ult is down he is one of the most vulnerable champs in the game.

SyrileJan 21, 20191 votes

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yeah lol this was meant to mock them Zed haters out there who don't look at facts and say nonsense in the comments. Like look at my match history (on the site) I immediately rush Zed and say he is op like lmao.

I agree, Talon is weirdly designed early game but i find that if his W or ult is down he is one of the most vulnerable champs in the game.

Yes, when his skills are down he is more vulnerable. That is the same with anyone. On his whole, his kit is so poorly designed that he gets basically free kills and free map influence. Mix that with Dusk Blade and you even get vision control for free.

LongtowelMar 24, 20191 votes

Zests does too much damage to tanky fighters, who are generally immobile. He should be able to one shot squishes but I’m not sure about killing a Darius in one combo 30 min into a game.