Illaoi changes pls dont

lllusive Man·May 9, 2016·92 votes·6,475 views

Illaoi

Tentacle Smash (Q): [Heal increased to 15% from 5%] [Passive's healing effect can now only happen once very 20 seconds]

HOW THE HELL

how will she survives teamfights ? she has nothing to keep enemys in her stuff now you are gutting her teamfight surviability pls no revert this pls dont let that get through

Update

Tentacle Smash (Q):
    Passive's Heal increased to 15% from 5%
    Passive's healing effect can now only happen once very 20/16/12/8/4 seconds.

on the last lvl it has an cd of 4 sec i think it will still gut her

Harsh Lesson (W) cooldown lowered to 4 seconds at all ranks from 6/5.5/5/4.5/4

this is actually a nice change you work with tentacles so you should be able to do that outside your ult and an eternity time between your w cd

162 Comments

QuephaMay 9, 201623 votes

Wait until the full patch notes are out for this iteration, there's no way that isn't packaged with some kind of buff somewhere else.

Especially since that's a buff to her laning and a nerf to her teamfight which is the opposite of what she needs.

ProfirixMay 9, 20166 votes

This. At first glance it is a major nerf, but realize that this is PBE and everything is subject to change.

lllusive ManMay 9, 201620 votes

[{quoted}](name=I Blame Adam,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vxYL7bgO,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-09T19:52:03.477+0000)

This. At first glance it is a major nerf, but realize that this is PBE and everything is subject to change.

yes i just want to stand up imeadiatly so they dont think its a great idea

Sahn UzalMay 9, 20162 votes

Tentacle Smash (Q): [Heal increased to 15% from 5%] [Passive's healing effect can now only happen once very 20/16/12/8/4 seconds]

And her W CD is now also 4 at all ranks, instead of 6/5.5/5/4.5/4

Troll for TrumpMay 10, 20163 votes

Good thing it has been confirmed to be reverted.

lllusive ManMay 9, 20164 votes

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Wait until the full patch notes are out for this iteration, there's no way that isn't packaged with some kind of buff somewhere else.

i hope rlly i do for the love of my fave toplane char

AstôlfoMay 9, 20166 votes

Implying Riot actually knows how to balance champions/make good balance changes.

Battlecast SonaMay 9, 20161 votes

that feel when people can't remove vessel debuff anymore? I mean, didn't they make it so Illaoi's vessel debuff is way stronger?

QuephaMay 9, 20162 votes

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that feel when people can't remove vessel debuff anymore? I mean, didn't they make it so Illaoi's vessel debuff is way stronger?

It has a much shorter duration but is more impactful over that duration (very fast tentacle spawns over 12 seconds instead of very slow tentacle spawns over 60 seconds that can be removed)

I thought it looked like an overall buff but it seems her winrate fell this patch, although that could be due to a lot of changes this patch independent of the vessel change.

Battlecast SonaMay 10, 20161 votes

I just worry about Illaoi following the likes of many other champions who get a series of buffs before the buffs can really be felt and then the champ necessitates a nerf immediately. It seemed like a buff to me too (vessel debuff is less random, reliability is good) but perhaps people haven't figured out how to properly take advantage of it yet?

I like Illaoi's design even though I'm not really a top player, but I don't want to see her get nerfed into oblivion like many champs before her after Riot basically decides it's too hard to balance her.

QuephaMay 10, 20162 votes

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I just worry about Illaoi following the likes of many other champions who get a series of buffs before the buffs can really be felt and then the champ necessitates a nerf immediately. It seemed like a buff to me too (vessel debuff is less random, reliability is good) but perhaps people haven't figured out how to properly take advantage of it yet?

I like Illaoi's design even though I'm not really a top player, but I don't want to see her get nerfed into oblivion like many champs before her after Riot basically decides it's too hard to balance her.

I think what people aren't really willing to admit is that Illaoi got a lot of SUPER DUMB kills when people were wandering around base and forgot to pay attention to their debuff.

AstôlfoMay 10, 20165 votes

That's because it's still easy as shit to just step to the side and dodge every single spawned tentacle for anyone with half a brain, just making it a 80% shorter slow.

QuephaMay 10, 20162 votes

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That's because it's still easy as shit to just step to the side and dodge every single spawned tentacle for anyone with half a brain, just making it a 80% shorter slow.

Reduce the duration from 2 seconds to 0.4 seconds? I don't see what that would accomplish.

AstôlfoMay 10, 20162 votes

Uh, you mean 60 to 12?

QuephaMay 10, 20162 votes

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Uh, you mean 60 to 12?

The slow from being turned into a vessel lasted for 2 seconds before and after the change to the duration of the vessel effect.

AstôlfoMay 10, 20161 votes

I was talking about the duration of the actual tentacle effect.

QuephaMay 10, 20162 votes

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I was talking about the duration of the actual tentacle effect.

then why did you say slow? Do you mean extend the duration of the slow to the full 12 second duration of the vessel effect? that would be way beyond broken.

Critmaster GarenMay 9, 20169 votes

wow. they actually think this is a buff? ok then.

shell get her heal off when shes at like 80% health or something and then get blasted lol.

5050BSMay 9, 20168 votes

So this the current changeg

Tentacle Smash (Q):
    [Heal increased to 15% from 5%]
    [Passive's healing effect can now only happen once very 20/16/12/8/4 seconds]

Still not liking it at all.

So before you ult a team fight

If you are good you do it near a existing Tentacle and you hit 2 enemy champions + Spirit

Thats 4 Tentacles that attack the Spirit right at the start (healing you for 20%-80% of missing HPs) You W an Enemy and get heal again for 20-80% missing HP.

Now this is if you are not CCed or killed outright.

New Healing would be

Same ult Tentacles attack the spirit and heal you for 15% (because only happens once in 4s) You W someone and get ZERO healing 2s later you W again and get ZERO healing 2s Later you W again and get 15% healing.

How it really plays out is after first W you are CC or dead because you didnt get healed enough.

71883083DEL1May 9, 20167 votes

Ilaoi is a perfect top laner in my opinion, she actually requires skill to play as unlike a large collection of champions.

charcharmunroMay 9, 201617 votes

It kinda seems like playing Illaoi successfully is less "be good", more "hope the enemy sucks".

AstôlfoMay 9, 20165 votes

Well gee, she's already a terrible toplaner, the E nerfs dropped her 5% further to 44%, because apparently 49% is too oppressive because people can't dodge skillshots or think logically. Thanks Riot.

charcharmunroMay 9, 20162 votes

Well... I think Riot's basically admitted they kinda fucked up when they made Illaoi. She's the first Juggernaut made after the whole Juggernaut Update, and they erred on the side of caution, I assume. The result was a frustrating, yet actually rather weak character that brought nothing to a team besides being a meat wall of damage.

TotalJerkMay 9, 20167 votes

The fuckup was putting the tentacle mechanic on a Juggernaut. She's immobile enough without forcing her to stand around 1 fucking area for an extended period of time to only be useful in that area.

FastAsHeckMay 10, 20162 votes

exactly, now they gave pretty much the same thing to zyra and she seems to do just fine

TallyZrgMay 9, 20164 votes

Yeah I hope these don't go through as well given that I love playing the tentacle slam champ. This would kill her team fight survivability which is the only thing she has going for her since the biggest way to counter her is move away from her ultimate until it times out and then engage her.

With this change it will shift to "just burst her since she has no sustain now lol", especially with the GW revert in patch 6.9

I have no doubt that my Illaoi main sisters will give enough evidence to show that this will break her and riot will revert this experimental change.

TTK DreadnoughtMay 9, 20163 votes

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Yeah I hope these don't go through as well given that I love playing the tentacle slam champ. This would kill her team fight survivability which is the only thing she has going for her since the biggest way to counter her is move away from her ultimate until it times out and then engage her.

With this change it will shift to "just burst her since she has no sustain now lol", especially with the GW revert in patch 6.9

I have no doubt that my Illaoi main sisters will give enough evidence to show that this will break her and riot will revert this experimental change.

I agree. I already get targetted first in a team fight hard. Whether I'm building full tank or if I'm building my normal fighter/splitpush.

TallyZrgMay 9, 20162 votes

Meddler just confirmed that this heal change is being reverted and that they are going to pursue other ways to make Illaoi more consistent.

AstôlfoMay 9, 20163 votes

Just like Riot listened to the shit about the E change. Which dropped her from 49% to 44%. Thanks Riot.

OelykMay 10, 20163 votes

It was noted by a rioter that these will be reverted.

JerulEonMay 10, 20163 votes

I'm kinda confused. I thought her biggest flaw is that she doesn't have any CC. No one's mentioned that she is complete ass at catching out people, peeling, or roaming (things that make a good toplaner). Her E doesn't synergize with her kit. Yeah, it gives her an extra tentacle when you ult but all it really does is serve as a form of awkward poke/trade that can be countered if the person you E'd just attacks you back. She has no real form of reliable CC.

My suggestion is to make her E apply a slow every time she smacks a soul, or make it so you can reactivate the ability and send the soul back early so you can catch out people.

I know Riot's niche for her is to be the anti-team engage or the full hard-on tentacle flailing boss (1v5 the enemy team). But goddamn I played her a few times, and she felt pretty useless. I guess she's just too niche for me, and I don't know her playstyle.

UnLiT HaRvEsTMay 10, 20162 votes

The E isn't just for 1 extra tentacle. When you ultimate, you want the soul to be pulled because all the tentacles will hit it as soon as they come up. Illaois ults tentacles don't hit as soon as they come up unless there'a a soul nearby. With the curse lasting so little now we can't curse then ultimate later when they engage because they will be cleared of the curse. I main illaoi and the update on the E is something that I'm not enjoying. The only thing I like was the FoW buff.

Pika FoxMay 10, 20163 votes

She needs massive nerfs before she can receive proper buffs. Unfortunately, she has a really abusive kit. Just look at her on an ARAM map to see what happens when the stars align for her.

TURBO 5OOOMay 10, 20167 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vxYL7bgO,comment-id=002d,timestamp=2016-05-10T08:25:27.918+0000)

She needs massive nerfs before she can receive proper buffs. Unfortunately, she has a really abusive kit. Just look at her on an ARAM map to see what happens when the stars align for her.

Yes lets balance for aram now. Wow

Iceborn PippinMay 10, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vxYL7bgO,comment-id=002d,timestamp=2016-05-10T08:25:27.918+0000)

She needs massive nerfs before she can receive proper buffs. Unfortunately, she has a really abusive kit. Just look at her on an ARAM map to see what happens when the stars align for her.

Balanced for Aram? That is a terrible idea. How about balanced for Summoner's Rift. The most used map where the LCS, LCK, etc tourneys. She was already actually weak and in need of buffs and QoL changes and what you purpose is she gets massive nerfs so she can get buffs? Backwards logic.

Pika FoxMay 10, 20162 votes

Please use some common sense; i mentioned aram because its a map where you cant avoid all her kit as easily as other maps. Given proper coordination with champs such as amumu/anivia/jarman etc. a similar effect can be seen in other maps as well.

The point was her high point is too abusive and too high, so you need to take power from there to bring up her low points.

Blkninjar87May 10, 20163 votes

Before you start backlashing; mentioning ARAM did detract from ur statement... Even in normal matches with Amumu and Jarvan Summoners Rift provides more than enough space.. Being punished by her after being caught in an amumu ult isn't "abusive" it's practical... Why do you have it in your mind that people shouldn't DiE in amumu's ult?

When not in Aram she sucks the walls are too spaced apart in top lane she don't have enough wall to work with to do decent trades! She has no CC so someone would have to be retarded enough to get hit by her E over and over, to die to her. Her only strength is fighting 2v1... 1 v 1 she gets rekt. Nothing about her is abusive... she sucks and she needs buffs not nerfs. So not only is she gated by MP, Her passive's CD, Skillshots, and Delayed Damage... She is also gated by Shape of Terrain something NO OTHER CHAMPION has to deal with (maybe bard?). And for some reason you believe nerfing her to shit will make her less 'Abusive'.

Tell me how is a champion abusive when you literally have to walk into her stupid highly visible crap just to die?

Malzahar 90% Damage reduction on a** 5 second CD** is abusive... Stupid Tentacle Lady with** a heal that's crap** until shes almost dead is not. They basically made her that way to bait dummies into her junk.

Pika FoxMay 11, 20162 votes

Shes abusive because her high points are too strong. If riot ever wants to buff her so she is consistently better, they have to nerf her high point because you will see it more consistently.

Also malz's passive isnt really all that abusive; hes an immobile counter assassin, his passive does exactly what it needs to to go up against talon/zed/fizz in the mid lane and get him into teamfights. He is relatively squishy without it.

Lazypeon100May 9, 20162 votes

*Tentacle Smash (Q): [Heal increased to 15% from 5%] [Passive's healing effect can now only happen once very 20/16/12/8/4 seconds] *Harsh Lesson (W) cooldown lowered to 4 seconds at all ranks from 6/5.5/5/4.5/4

This post had me worried because it left out that the healing CD goes down with level. Surrender at 20 says there might be more changes as well.

DrDiagaMay 9, 20161 votes

That's a much more significant heal though. Team fights don't generally stay In her zone.

Everyone dies, or they get out of her ult and she often dies.

Now at least she can count on a good heal out of the deal, since its so easy to outplay her ult.

SonaTitsAndAssMay 9, 20166 votes

can we just address the fact for 1 second that if you dont hit 3 people in a teamfight you have lost that teamfight? like for real if you only land 1 q on 3 people... you lost that fight... if you land 3 different w on 3 different people and nothing else... you still lost that fight... you need to hit like 8-15 things to even have a chance...

5050BSMay 9, 20166 votes

IKR

Her Animations and attacks are too slow for this game.