Poppy + Manamune

Mérçÿ·Oct 10, 2016·1 votes·859 views

Would work well with ?

12 Comments

OurLestradeOct 10, 20162 votes

For what it gives to her, not at all. IBG is what you want :P

RalanrOct 10, 20162 votes

Probably a waste. She doesn't need much mana as the game goes on and functions well as full tank.

I can only see her getting it to synergize with IBG and/or FH, but she'd still have to use precious early game time to build the stacking item since building it later is usually a bad idea. Since she should rush a defense item or TF (if you're going offense) as her first buy, she'd be negating her power spike.

I wouldn't say it's worth it.

WoonStruckOct 10, 20162 votes

It would be 'alright'.

Would it be worth it? **Hell no. **You give up the valuable damage/defense you'd be buying early, which would basically gut your potential to scale into the game unless you got insanely far ahead somehow...in which case its more of a win-more situation. Even though it wouldn't help you win any more.

It'd increase your damage and make your passive/E hurt a little more, but its not worth setting yourself back early.

TheSequelsRBadOct 10, 20161 votes

No.

Maybe as a for fun troll build, but otherwise no.

Sire HippingtonOct 10, 20161 votes

I would kinda work but generally isn't a great item for her. She doesn't need that much mana, and it would be pretty weak till fully stacked, and even then you would need to find a good flank so you can smash an squishy into a walll to make it worthwhile, and even then other items would probably give similar burst with more benefits without gimping your earlygame.

AnonagonOct 10, 20161 votes

Does it proc twice on E if it wallstuns?

If so it would add substantially more than almost any other damage item to her burst combo.

The real question is whether or not you want to be building mainly for damage on a character who is normally built full tank.

Asayake 5150glowOct 10, 20161 votes

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Does it proc twice on E if it wallstuns?

If so it would add substantially more than almost any other damage item to her burst combo.

The real question is whether or not you want to be building mainly for damage on a character who is normally built full tank.

Meh, not too true. Armor pen or flat AD is better, tho with IBG+Muramana it'd give you a lot of AD.

Poppy actually has pretty good bonus AD scalings, with that on top of high bases, oneshots with an assassin build are indeed possible and likely if you're decent/ahead. You just gotta land both double aspects of Q and E. And you ult for damage.

AnonagonOct 10, 20161 votes

No, Muramana adds a massive amount more than arPen actually would. Around mid-game, three Muramana procs (a single E - Q - AA combo on Poppy) is about 300 damage. To get the same value off of, say, the 20 flat arPen from Youmuu's (the highest flat arPen in the game), your combo would need to do around 3000 raw damage, which Poppy's combo would not nearly be doing at that point in the game. (This is of course, assuming a situational that's ideal for Youmuu's flat pen, so the assumed target here is a squishy ADC with only base armor and armor yellows. Against a target like that, 20 flat pen is about a 10% damage increase)

With just Muramana and Trinity for mana items, Muramana outdoes Youmuu's in raw AD at level 8, and only goes higher from there, or with more mana items (of course your only real choices there are Frozen Heart and Righteous Glory, neither of which are damage items)

tl;dr - Muramana is higher damage than any flat pen item

Now, does that mean its good? Meh. It takes too long to really become worth the investment, and of course it doesn't provide anything but damage. Youmuu's, Duskblade, Cleaver, and Maw are all better damage items on Poppy because of the other stats and effects they provide. But Muramana is definitively the highest raw damage item you could buy on her, except for maybe some kind of crit build.

Asayake 5150glowOct 10, 20161 votes

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No, Muramana adds a massive amount more than arPen actually would. Around mid-game, three Muramana procs (a single E - Q - AA combo on Poppy) is about 300 damage. To get the same value off of, say, the 20 flat arPen from Youmuu's (the highest flat arPen in the game), your combo would need to do around 3000 raw damage, which Poppy's combo would not nearly be doing at that point in the game. (This is of course, assuming a situational that's ideal for Youmuu's flat pen, so the assumed target here is a squishy ADC with only base armor and armor yellows. Against a target like that, 20 flat pen is about a 10% damage increase)

With just Muramana and Trinity for mana items, Muramana outdoes Youmuu's in raw AD at level 8, and only goes higher from there, or with more mana items (of course your only real choices there are Frozen Heart and Righteous Glory, neither of which are damage items)

tl;dr - Muramana is higher damage than any flat pen item

Now, does that mean its good? Meh. It takes too long to really become worth the investment, and of course it doesn't provide anything but damage. Youmuu's, Duskblade, Cleaver, and Maw are all better damage items on Poppy because of the other stats and effects they provide. But Muramana is definitively the highest raw damage item you could buy on her, except for maybe some kind of crit build.

(Q doesn't proc Muramana btw, but I get ur point)

Flat AD is better than crit since she doesn't auto much, it's her abilities doing the damage. Muramana really does give a lot of damage... and mana, but not much else.

AnonagonOct 10, 20161 votes

the three procs comes from it procing twice on E (still unconfirmed if it does this)

And yeah, it's just not a good item on anyone who isn't ezreal or urgot.