AdellaideSkyhart singed support should not be forced to change his play style!

MAD LOVES··13 votes·6,372 views

RIOT PLEASE!

What the heck are you playing here?

Forcing a player who clearly does well in his games to stop using his play style of choice is highly unfair. Riot seems to be punishing this player for not playing the meta.

His recent performance has been much worse since he stopped playing his chosen play style to not get banned based on the threat by a riot employee.

RIOT! I AM DISGUSTED BY YOUR BEHAVIOR!

This player has clearly been doing his best to communicate with his team and has been doing very well for a long time. The suspension he already experienced was highly unfair and frankly di%%%%%able!

I know i am not the only one who thinks its wrong that riot has gone back on their word when they stated that players are not forced to play the meta. Amumu

25 Comments

I hate my ADC9 votes

For the love of... How many time does it need to be repeated?

AdellaideSkyhart wasn't punished for playing Support Singed or Off-Meta. He was punished for repeated disrespect of his teams and playing at their expense.

Go read this thread and get off the bandwagon already.

MAD LOVES5 votes

the message he got specifically said that his play style was the problem and then he changed his play style...

I hate my ADC8 votes

The message he got was made by a human whom, just like any other human, can convey a message improperly by using the wrong words at the wrong time and place.

It's so easy to just point fingers at Riot and call them bullies, all the while ignoring the manipulative usage of an improperly written message by AdellaideSkyhart to get people attention and make those same people believe in his innocence.

If he was innocent, he would have learned from his past punishments that he wasn't allowed to continue doing what he was doing.

MAD LOVES5 votes

actually he DID change his playstyle, and his elo suffered as a result.

he doesn't play smite singed anymore, he takes ignite and stays with his bot lane.

now he loses a lot more games. lost several ranks.

he did way better before when he went smite and counter jungled.

I hate my ADC5 votes

/sigh

It has nothing to do with winning or losing. It's all about the impact you have on other players.

If I had 80% win rate, would that give me a free pass to being a completely toxic player who insults everyone and makes racist/sexist/homophobic comments? Because I win games?

WarDog E4 votes

Picking a non-meta champion == being a racist, sexist homophobe.

People, we got it all wrong, League isn't about winning. Stop trying to win. Winning is anti-fun.

ElusiveSniper3 votes

But, he wasn't toxic or any of those things, people just didn't like his pick and imagine for a moment if you had a main champ that you played a certain way to win your games lets just say a common pick like Ahri with ignite and flash pretty normal right? What if I don't like that can I report you and get you banned for it? Why should they decide whose meta and whose not its winning the guy games and its not like hes being toxic.

Atarashii Suzaku1 votes

Nope, I just played a game with him today. He still plays smite support singed. And may I add that he was actually really good for his play style. He knows what he's doing.

MAD LOVES3 votes

okay read that thread.

adelaidskyhart had posted a paragraph about his plan to play support smite singed and the reports against him were just by salty players.

he WAS supporting his team, getting his jungler ahead.

besides as long as the adc plays safe he could easily farm under turret and get more XP than the other adc since he was not sharing with his support for the first few minutes.

also he wasn't staying away all the time and his ganks against other lanes were often successful.

I hate my ADC7 votes
  1. Yes, he was posting a paragraph explaining what he was going to do. But I have yet to see anywhere where people actually said they were fine with that plan of his.

  2. I played top once and killed the enemy top laner. I'm supporting my team by getting their top laner behind so he can't gank everyone freely. Does that make me fulfill the role of Support? The answer is no. Support is a role and I'm tired of explaining what the role entails to people who don't give a flying shit about how beautiful of a role it is so I won't bother re-explaining it for you.

  3. A lonely ADC is so easy to bully for any decent support that he would never even have the chance to safely farm under turret, he'd be forced to back and any XP advantage he could get would be lost instantly, he'd have no gold and would be pretty much rendered completely useless for the rest of the game. A turret DOESN'T make bullying impossible, it only limits how much bullying can be done. In a 2v1 scenario, a tower can never offer enough protection to prevent bullying.

  4. This is speculation at best. It's Riot's job to decide whether his actions were negatively impacting other players game time or not. Not for us to decide based on the says of the offender who only shows the information he wants us to see.

MAD LOVES4 votes

so you're against people playing non meta. this post is counter to your previous post.

you are intellectually dishonest.

you just want the 'support' to stay there forever.

this bs is why league is dying. and before you disagree with that assessment, their player base peeked and is now shrinking consistently.

I hate my ADC5 votes

A role has nothing to do with meta.

Look at any real life sports. Can you just decide to play with 3 Defense, 2 wings and a Goaler instead of 1 center, 2 wings, 2 defense and a goaler in ice hockey? No. Because that's how the game was set. If you want to play with 3 Defense, 2 wings and a goaler, you can do it with your friends or in a league with random people who are fine with it. But if you force it on people and don't play to the role you picked, people are going to hate you and you may just get kicked out of a league for it.

A role in league is similar, when Adellaide got his role in Draft Pick, he clearly got Support. And, just like real life sports, you shouldn't be forcing onto other your way of playing if it affect them negatively enough that you are effectively ruining their own playing experience.

Which champion you play for which role is all up to you.

Bronze Demon2 votes

league always changes with new updates and items, hockey doesn't.

league has too many factors which allow you to accomplish the goals: split push, objective stacking, crippling by early game, poke comp, seige comp, defend till scaling to late game. hockey has far less ways to win.

yet despite these huge differences, there are times where goalies join in the assault with defense and frontliners to score. if hockey can even innvoate and break meta then why shouldn't league?

support =/= cover vision, protect adc. those jobs have to be done by everyone. support = helping the adc win the game and he does so by crippling the enemy jungle and pressuring enemy laners

I hate my ADC3 votes

Hockey rules changed over time. Goals were 8 feet wide when hockey was created and got shrinked to 6 feet. Helmets became mandatory, full face for goalers. What didn't change are the roles and what they represent in the game as a whole. But that is because Ice Hockey as stayed somewhat stable in it's rules over the past 60-70 years. Roles changed in other sports, I don't play American Football, but I'd wager that in the past, there was more or less players on the field and/or different roles than there is now. And just like swapping lane is a thing in League, so is removing your goaler for an extra player in ice hockey. But playing an entire game without a goaler and 4 offense, 2 defense, even if it could be done, if it's only the goaler that decided it would be that way and nobody else on his team agreed to it, the goaler is gonna get replaced and won't be playing in that league again unless he decide to stick to his role instead of bossing other people around. Nobody stops a player from playing with whichever brand of equipment they want, unless you play with illegal equipment like an hockey stick made of aluminium instead of wood.

The Support role can be resumed in 1 word: Selflessness If anything, it is the epitome of a role. The one role that if you stray too far away from what it represent, you absolutely will impact the game of someone else on your team negatively.

Leaving your ADC to 1v2 early game, that's selfishness. You are ruining the game for someone on your team if they didn't consent to it, whether your strategy works or not is beside the point. Winning the game doesn't absolve you from your actions. Just like winning doesn't make being toxic okay. You can win a game with the most unconventional team ever, but breaking a set of non-written rules that has been set for the past 13 years and forcing it onto your team without their consent is called selfishness. You are ignoring what other people wants to get what you want. Stepping over other people is punishable and that's what Adellaide was punished for.

Bronze Demon1 votes

its not selfishness, its a tradeoff till mid/late. just because something is well established doesnt make it right. what i find really sefish is the ADC's entitlement to all sorts of expectations.

and also thats just your conception of what support means. it's never really fully defined, always been assumed and pressured by riot to conform to an arbitary set of responsibilities of which changed over time and continues to do so.

FyrFlys2 votes

I feel as if you're just being stubborn or something. Sorry if that comes off rude but i had to say it. Riot doesn't have a specific role for "Off-meta" picks so the only way to get into the "Off-meta" pick he's doing is support. Is he supporting? Yes, you talk about selflessness in a support but what about an ADC? There are 4 other roles besides the ADC, you know that right? Whats selfishness is the ADC wanting his role and his role only to be the one that succeeds. It's a mid, top, and jungle lane succeeding over a single ADC. I feel like that's a fair trade.

Tukan Tonko1 votes

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A role has nothing to do with meta.

Look at any real life sports. Can you just decide to play with 3 Defense, 2 wings and a Goaler instead of 1 center, 2 wings, 2 defense and a goaler in ice hockey? No. Because that's how the game was set. If you want to play with 3 Defense, 2 wings and a goaler, you can do it with your friends or in a league with random people who are fine with it. But if you force it on people and don't play to the role you picked, people are going to hate you and you may just get kicked out of a league for it.

A role in league is similar, when Adellaide got his role in Draft Pick, he clearly got Support. And, just like real life sports, you shouldn't be forcing onto other your way of playing if it affect them negatively enough that you are effectively ruining their own playing experience.

Which champion you play for which role is all up to you.

What a great example you gave us! Maybe I will change your mind after I use your example to it's fullest potential! Ice hockey is a very fast and "roles" in ice hockey are very versatile. When you are attacking everyone is, when you are defending everyone is. Peoples switch roles for a while during offensive actions as well! That is something like roaming support. Or counter-jungling support. One of the reasons why this haven't changed is because of those roles can do multiple things, so there is not really a reason to change it. Playing field is also small, so. But in soccer roles changes, you can even have 11 people in offense! In soccer you can clearly see how "meta" varies from team to team. Back to ice hockey. Do players have restrictions where they can move and what they can do other than fouls and other actions which apply for every single player? I don't know about it, but I can't know everything, maybe, but I think there is nothing like that, expect for goaler, maybe.

Also, have you played in season 1? If so you should remember those times when meta did not exist because game was new. Should we all be punished for playing double carry bot, playing double top without jungler? Of course not, we tried many strategies, we tried our best, for us, for our teammates! Meta is something that works best right now. That's why meta is constantly changing. We already saw double jungle in competitive play, even if it was a fun match, still, they showed us it's somehow viable. Roles are meta! Roles weren't pre-defined. They became meta after some time. But as fast as meta was created it can be changed. Maybe one more jungle change, maybe new items, buffs, nerfs and we may see double jungle in every single game! You never know. So, yeah, roles are meta, because it's something that work the best. Why? Why are champions that rely on spells on middle? To level up fast to get their abilities upgraded and thus deal more damage to enemy. Why we have junglers? To allow top lane farm and also let jungler farm as well, while also applying pressure to other lanes and to secure objectives in the jungle. Support? Because those doesn't need so many gold to work, they enhance allies and doesn't do much damage, but they don't need to, but they also can. While your carry is here because they rely on their basic attack, thus they can split exp with you, but they need gold to get items to increase their damage. That is meta, because it works the best. And also that's called enforcing the meta if you want punish someone who doesn't want to fulfill his role and instead he wants to try something new, maybe somthing that may work as good as meta role.

So, this is enforcing the meta. On the other hand, people who play with you may not like to play according to your playstyle. I sure agree that it can negatively affect them and it also will, in most cases. You have to be versatile, just like in hockey. If people on your team doesn't agree with your strategy, you shouldn't play it. There are 4 people on your team and you are only 1 person. If they all agree, it's fine, but you need at least agreement from your teammates to make it work. Because then they will be angry, tilted, everything and it simply won't work. For him it works, because he is somehow good and won many games like that. But still, those players didn't enjoy that game, simply because of his gameplay. So, yeah, this is pretty much enforcing the meta, and you can't say it's not. But 99,9% players want to play in meta. And I agree with Riot that they have to enforce meta to make sure players won't suffer because of one teammate that doesn't want to play in meta. But, it's in summoners code. This is a problem here, it's the same with laws... So, I agree with you but I also disagree with some of your points. This is a very specific case. Also, I heard that this player was toxic in many games, I don't know about it, I don't know if it's true, but if it is, this may be the real reason for punishment. But I know very little about this case, few videos won't help much.

MarshCreature2 votes

The main point people seem to be missing about that players play style is that no one wanted to play along with it the player was imposing his play style on others. he picks singed support witch isn't bad by itself but to then go into the enemy jungle and abandon the lane leaving his adc to die and become useless early into the match and not provide any vision not even a wardstone then go off to roam and gank top or mid is a selfish way to play, it's earned him Hundreds of reports witch made riot review the case manually some thing that is very rare ,the problem people seem to ignore so willingly is not that it was an off meta pick but that it was a selfish way to play that no one wanted to play along with the plan over hundreds of games winrate means nothing here the needs of the many outweigh one selfish player.

If he was playing with friends or as a team lets say in flex its no problem but he was imposing his will on 4 strangers docent matter how many paragraphs of text he posted if no one wanted to play along with it, he earned the suspension , the message riot gave him could have been worded better yes that's a fact after all a human can make mistakes and word things poorly but it docent take away from the impact he had on people that played along with him no one likes playing adc by hugging the tower scared that at any second the enemy jungler can 3 man dive you and you can do jack to stop them, due to the fact you have no support. and remember the support has to carry his adc for the adc to carry the team, its a team game folks you cant impose your will on others and expect not to have consequences. you can play off meta picks and even strange wacky things (god i hate mf support) but you cant make people play along with your plan and like sacrificing their enjoyment for yours.

Instant Ud0n1 votes

Having said that. what about Bard support. He's roam everywhere and always leave bot as 1v2. Riot clearly allow support to roam and leave the bot lane as 1v2.

CKCatKiller1 votes

This is stupid to begin with. A lot of these posts are saying he should play how the team wants not how he wants and is good with. What is META anyways? You know who makes it up? Pro players!!! Ashe used to be a mid and now she is an adc bot. Annie used to be a mid but now she is both mid and support. A pro player picked her as support and BAM!! Now people run magic casters like LUX, Morg, Annie as supports. He is making his on "META" which I would like to see in the future. He is a support but he also helps the jungle. He runs into the jungle and prevents the enemy jungle from getting ahead as well as helping his adc get more xp than bot. If he does good then let him. He's not trolling or anything he is just playing his own style. People used to get mad at me because I main Amumu. Just like if I see somoene run Nasus top, because no one plays him anymore it is "bad" to play him. It's a game and people play to win and how they win can be diffrent than yours.

Lady Lâmb1 votes

League of legends is more fun with variety, he found something new and it actually worked. Not everything has to be cookie cutter. You shouldn't punish a player trying to break out of the meta and have his own play style. It shouldn't be expected to be a meta slave or playing standard every single game. A support can roam, a support is not limited to only supporting his Adc. It's the ADC's fault for not adapting to the situation, playing not safe. Fucking with the jungler helps the whole team.

And he does go back to his Adc after the cheese. There are setups that will lock/bully the lane anyway so this isn't something new. Can you report the bot lane for going top in a lane swap if the top laner doesn't want to and he's forced into a 1v2? Can you get someone banned for picking Galio and it doesn't work out? Can you report a player that picked smite Ezreal mid or smite top lane? Can you ban an AP Ezreal or full AD Kennen/On hit TF?

Instant Ud0n1 votes

Hey Riot,

This is stupid. Let people play what they want and how they want it. He found a new way to play so let him play it. It is more engage and encourage more people playing the game. Enforcing the meta is great but use it as a recommendation. Making a game as a meta is just make the game boring. I stopped playing for awhile because of that reason too.

Instead of changing the old one. Make new champ with more awesome moves and new skins. Stop limited the potential of what the game had.

Thank You.

rtbf2476264231 votes

I completely agree

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