Tips on Getting Out of Bronze

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What you do on Zyra has nothing to do with the actual meta. You're still going bot, you're still going zyra, you're still building AP, everything else is just wrong though and sub-optimal.

FIrst, how much you have done optimization on environment with multiple variables? Most people saying my build is suboptimal optimizes only to damage and burst, because real optimization on complex environment is really really hard. Tell me, which variables you use to define I am playing suboptimal? Statistics? Then why I do have lots of games with mastery grade S? Ah, you claim mastery system does not work? I agree, but they assess the effectiveness on terms you use. Thus my build is far from being suboptimal.

Tell me, how often you gain S with Zyra?

Your rune page is bad because runes have their own gold efficiency. Scaling AP yellows and Scaling AP quints aren't good because of when they become efficient.

And you do otmize only for ealry game. I optmize for mid/late game which matters more.

One thing I have perceived which most players cannot grasp: In games teams which have more even spread of gold fare better. But your attitude of "optimization" only focus personal damage optimziation not team optimization. I optmize my build for TEAM.

How your optimization change when you ignore personal gain, and focus on gain of team? My build is optimized for two things.

• Kill tanks
• Kill master yi/nasus
• Team effectiveness even after I die.

Flat AP quint gives you 5 right away, while scaling gives you 7.7 @ level 18. For scaling to pass flat AP, you need to hit level 12. In your past 17 games, most of them ended around you being level 13 or before it. It isn't worth it.

And did they end that way due my actions or due actions of my team mates?

In the early game, most of the damage you take is physical. This is why most people take flat armor yellows. Its worth 180 gold. That 9 armor is big in the early game. Bot lane usually doesn't take scaling runes, because they're leveling up slower since they're sharing xp. It just takes too long for scaling runes to become efficient and sacrificing your early game isnt worth it.

In early game most of damage is general damage and in that case the extra buffer of health from relic shield helps more than armor. And you cannot make generalization "most damage you take is physical" without knowing your lane opponents. Actually most supports deal damage with abilties and their abilities deal magic damage.

I know armor or magic resist is more effective later game, and I do alter my build if enemy is heavy magic or heavy physical, and even order of resists I build. But early game buffer matters more than resists, as resists are so low they does not matter much.

I do also use optimization done by all people I know being good in martial arts when they optimize their combat effectiveness: most effective way of fighting is not to fight. I do optimize my defenses by playing defensive and thus not taking damage as enemy cannot damage me. I retreat from enemies. That is quite likely the reason why people attack me so vigorously - I am proving their "optimal" is not optimal. THeir optimal is local optimum not global optimum in complex environment of team work and as game whole.

And how then I end up dealing 2nd or most damage to enemy champions at mid /late game events? becuase I optmize for PART OF GAME WHICH REALLY MATTERS AND MOST PLAYERS CANNOT GRASP - MID / LATE GAME:

Lets say you lose 1000 health and pop all 3 pots over the course of laning phase. Then you have 700 health and get all-in'd.

If 9 armor would have let you taken 8% less damage, and pots would have healed you for 45 more, then you would have had 181 more health. That doesn't sound like alot, but it is easily the difference between living and dying.

Did you count time required to recall and refill potions? And health regeneration and relic shield heal? I am sorry, but with relic shield heal, in my factual experience of games, it is opposite. But you rather think your evaluation with detail level "horse race is easy to simulate if horses are spheroids moving in vacuum". You do your assessment without any consideration of factual environment, as it woudl make it too complex. Learn to do optimization when you start talk of optimization. MInmaxers are usually really lousy optimizers as they make assumptions without checking the effects of assumptions.

sounds like you're having to back. If you had mana from or more health just because you took armor seals, you probably wouldn't have had to back.

Trust me, I have tried those other combinations, but have you? Your optimization this far has been "take one variable without combination or synergy, optimize it, move to next and ignore effects on preivous optmizations".

Also, max something else. You don't have much base damage when you dont max Q or E, so the pen that you are taking is pretty worthless early/mid game.

Actually you are wrong. I am really effective mid game and early game, if adc does not act like total idiot focusing on kills, which is not objective but just gold. Nothing more. You ignore my way of playing is TOTALLY DIFFERENT FROM STUPOID CHAAAAARGH play META is for most of players. If you watch LCS, they do not play like most of players worshiping META or how you suggest I should play.

Now please, for the love of all the poor ADC players you're matched with and yourself, build normal. Why? because it is the best, most logical build. It has nothing to do with the meta, its just pure numbers.'

Your whole point on attack has been my way is the only way and do not try other ways as they are abominations for my way. Your assessment of my build ignored the effect of relic shield has to adc. It does give adc gold too, and heal him too. You also ignore the parts which makes my build effective: grievous wounding of morellinomicon reduces enemy health regen during combat a lot. ALso my liandry's deal way more damage than you assess, but you cannot count it as it requires assuming enemy player health levels.

Your whole optimization was done with only one goal in the mind: damage optimization without any real consideration of other effects. My build is not minmaxed tank. It is not minmaxed burst. It is actually build for most general purpose use, as that is best thing you can do for support. I can do lots of things "suboptimal" which gives me ability to adapt to the situation way better your build could ever do.

The main problem is the fact almost nobody attacking me does real assessment of team level effects of game. You make assumption only way support can contribute to team is through adc, as that is the way you get when you optimize for individual player stats without synergy and combination analysis.

Why it is bad to give all gold to adc? Adcs are not very survivable, thus giving all gold to adc puts all eggs to same basket, and that basket is easily destroyed. When one team member has all resources, enemy getting him down reduces team effectiveness vastly. This is main reason why adcs should respect supports and let them take kill gold if they get and even occasional farm. As that gold is helping adc too. IT helps him as his support can be more effective. But the way how players are selfish takers only focusing on their own score and stats, actually create way worse team level play. And that is also reason why challengers have really hard time with LCS teams. LCS teams focus on team work.