Yasuo Vs Shen toplane

74770029_DEL·May 30, 2016·0 votes·3,483 views

So I am playing versus in the toplane... I have nothing i end up feeding every game. the main thing about this matchup is that has a great waveclear, knockup that breaks your ult (and w shield if active at the time), and can harass you while you are csing under the tower. Jungler comes in for a gank and enemy double kill; how should i lane against this guy? (just to let you know, i get counterpicked for those saying pick another champion. No i won't dodge because that will tick off my team membs)

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Ruin LanceMay 30, 20162 votes

as a nearly 800k mastery yasuo main, i can assure you that shen totally fucks yasuo. i've also played this matchup as shen.

you have 2 choices as shen- corrupting potion or armor? personally i would go armor as shen, as you're mainly just going to be farming before your first back.

before your first back: if yasuo tries jumping on you, activate your q, start attacking him, and if he still tries attacking you, taunt him, and continue to attack him until W wears off and he will lose the trade. then go back to farming. keep farming until either: you're very low and out of potions, yasuo backs, or if you have enough money for a bami's cinder or chain vest.

you want to try to get a bami's cinder ASAP. if you don't, go for a chain vest, and if you can afford it, a ruby crystal as well. as you can probably guess, you're going to rush a sunfire cape first. once you finish that you should be able to start winning trades with ease.

if he's still a problem, continue to stack armor. ninja tabi, sunfire cape, and randuin's will make him completely unable to duel you.

if you need any more details about the matchup, just tell me

74770029_DELMay 30, 20161 votes

super helpful thank you! I keep running away trying to semi kite him in fights which is why i assume i keep losing

DefendedMay 30, 20161 votes

You have to E-Q(Through body) and W when the sword arrives. after that you get the 3 hits in because hes taunted and what you want to do is TRY to Q again through his body so you can slow him and walk away. If its a good trade you keep repeating

Take Corruptioning potion. Armor doesnt work against yasuo unfortunately.

I play shen a shit ton and honestly this is why i say yasuo is an unfair champ. Hes just too strong. And if there is a jungler helping him then honestly just wait till 6 farm under tower and go help your other lanes with Ult.

Shen is supposed to get buffed in the near future according to Meddler. He scales with AP which makes absolutely no sense and anyone with armor pen just beatsthe hell out of Shen

You cant just W normally because yasuo will dash through a minion to get out andgo back in when yours is out. he has no cooldowns. You have major cooldowns. E+W are 16 second cooldowns at lvl 1. Or 18 sec? Forgot.

TehNACHOMay 30, 20161 votes

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Take Corruptioning potion. Armor doesnt work against yasuo unfortunately.

Just want to put an asterisk on this. Certain champions that just plainly stat check Yasuo well like Hecarim can easily rush armor items and mow him down in a straight up duel. Shen is just not one of these champions.

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

The thing with shen is tho he is a peel heavy tank. He was never meant to really duel (when he split pushes and someone comes to duel him he ults and forces a 5v4 or 5v3). Yasuo is a hard matchup I have no idea how to lane against because of his ability to dodge my taunts (he has infinite mobility in a creep wave) and his knockup at point blank (dashes through you and q, guaranteed knockup), and lastly his insane wave clear (q is aoe, and he can dash through every hostile creep).

So what I'm really asking is how do I push out my lane while not dying to him, or at least keep him from taking my tower?

Doctor JarvisMay 30, 20162 votes

So what I'm really asking is how do I push out my lane while not dying to him, or at least keep him from taking my tower?

Stop right there. DON'T push out your lane. Keep it right at the tower. What's he gonna do? Dive the tank? If his jungler is there, maybe he will, but 9/10 he fucking won't. If you're having trouble, just farm at tower. If he gets too close, taunt his ass, let the tower remind him why he shouldn't be there. Use Q to farm. DO NOT FEED HIM. Accept that you'll have to walk/teleport to other lanes rather than ult (unless its from base).

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

He doesnt dive me, when I go to last hit caster minions he Qs me, although I do admit I never tried to taunt him. He never dives me until he poked me down so low that I die to one auto. So I either have to give up on half my cs or risk death...

Edit: both teleport and ult is disrupted by his knockup; he shreds tower so if I leave that's top tower gone so my help the team ult is negated unless I want to give him a tower

Doctor JarvisMay 30, 20161 votes

Then give up half your cs. You losing 3 cs per wave is far preferable to you dying 4-5 times under tower.

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

I guess that's acceptable... But I would be pretty useless in team fights and in reality I lose more than 3 cs per wave due to my lane pushing...

Also did you have any thoughts on the help team lose tower dilemma?

TahyanaMay 30, 20161 votes

This is what I found out just screwing around in custom. This is Shen.

I tanked his masteries and runes, except for Quints. I gave him AP quints. I started him out with AP quints and pitted him against an intermediate Darius, since Yas was not available. I started with Doran's Ring and health pots. I Q'd through him and got in my 3 hits. It chunked him a LOT.

I found a video on Youtube of pre-worked Shen full AP, and he wrecked any enemy he came across. I am trying to make an AP Shen build. The scaling off of AP is horrendous but in a good way.

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

I understand shen has ap scaling as well as max HP scaling but wouldn't it be better for him to build full tank instead of ap? Or maybe a hybrid using ROA and rylais

MLDzXnRRRMay 30, 20161 votes

I've played 2-3 times as Shen vs Yasuo. It's hard to survive the first few levels (cloth + 4 is probably the best start), but you outscale Yasuo super hard after your first back. He can probably kill you, if he is 6 slotted and he ults you late-late game, if your team doesn't focus and explode him, but until then, he is just a free kill.

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

How would you play around his e+q combo? Or Am I really bad at dodging skillshots?

TahyanaMay 30, 20161 votes

It is something I am toying around with. I am not going to play it in a draft or normal until I think I have it down. My husband and I duel against one another to test out different skills and get mechanics down. We also toy with different builds. I would prob give him three Warmogs and Dead Man's for sustain and maybe even Randuins. I am still toying around with the AP items.

TahyanaMay 30, 20161 votes

Against a Yas, you have to think reactive, just like v a Darius or another lane bully until you can tank up some. At level 2, I would put a point in W and keep my sword to close to mitigate damage. At level 3, I would put a point in E and use it as peel to get away and back to tower. If you are worried about gold, get a gold item first back to keep you in the game.

When he uses his skills, E+Q-W, and whack him three times. Get out and back under tower. Repeat. This is just what I would do. I would also build Thornmail or Sunfire first and then go warmogs.

I could be wrong, but this is just mho.

RIP ResonanceMay 30, 20161 votes

Shen shouldn't be getting cheesed by Yasuo. Simply start either item 1054 item 2003 or item 1029 just rush item 3143 and you should be fine.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20161 votes

why is shen struggling against yasuo?

I mean its one thing if you get ulted but then you can use your W to ignore his ridiculous buff.

But how did you build?

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

sunfire > titanic hydra> zzrot > banshee > warmogs > deadmans

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20161 votes

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sunfire > titanic hydra> zzrot > banshee > warmogs > deadmans

I'm not a shen expert but I like playing him and play against yasuo alot.

I can't help but feel that titanic hydra + ZZrot was a terrible decision. I also would have rushed ninja tabi.

Yasuo deals 90% crits

ninja tabi reduces crits by another 10%

stacks multiplicatively so .9 * .9 = .81 damage before calculating damage through 80 armor outside of his ult.

with just 50 armor plus lets say another 50 from elsewhere you reduce his damage by 50%

damage * damage multiplier

damage multiplier = 100 / (100 + armor)

zzrot gives 55 armor so

(100/(100+100))-(100/(100+55+lets say another 5 cuz bonuses+100)) so 0.11538461538 or a 12% increase in anti yasuo stats that will be penetrated almost completely if he ults you.

that's 3% more than ninja tabi passive alone but item 1031 = 800 then you get 30 armor from ninja tabi.

I guess raptor cloak would have been an option but zzrot portal seems like it would backfire giving yasuo more dashes and things to heal off of and trigger his cc with. ninja tabi also doesnt care if youre next to your tower or not and the passive ignores armor reduction which yasuo gets from his ult.

74770029_DELMay 30, 2016

It was just a generic build but ninja tabi would definitely be a superior build option over either hydra or zzrot.