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can we just remove the entire jungler role from the game

Got7s Jackson··44 votes·8,327 views

I'm tired of this role being literally 50% of the game

you can have a top laner go 0/8 in lane and still win the game if your jungler is at least half a brain stem worth smarter than the enemy jungler

this game hasn't been about skill since season 5 when they changed everything to tanks. junglers can legit go afk farm and then try to 1v3 and hold mid and then die and give double buffs to my enemy jungler and the game is basically over. why is this game even a 5v5 anymore. remove junglers from the game and make it a S K I L L based game with 2 players in top, 2 in mid, 4 in bot. we don't need an extra person running around and inting in the game and making it the deciding factor between who wins and loses. I literally lose silver games because my jungler afk farms and falls behind. I can have 3 winning lanes and my jungler is half a brain stem short of the enemy jungler and we instantly lose. this game is a fucking joke when i cant even win in silver elo as a diamond 3 player duoing with a diamond 1 player and our jungle literally ints and afk farms games.

this is worse than when adc was the deciding factor of the game. all it took was one kill in bot and your game was decided but now its basically decided in champ select by RNG with who gets the better jungler.

and yes this is one of my smurf accounts because i dont want public harassment on my main (ง •̀_•́)ง

48 Comments

Sp33d Zer022 votes

[{quoted}](name=Got7s Jackson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vcEX3B31,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-07-28T07:10:47.344+0000)

I'm tired of this role being literally 50% of the game

It's a good thing its only 20% then.

you can have a top laner go 0/8 in lane and still win the game if your jungler is at least half a brain stem worth smarter than the enemy jungler

You can have any ONE person on your team feed if you have someone else to pick up the slack. It doesn't matter who they are.

this game hasn't been about skill since season 5 when they changed everything to tanks.

The game has nothing to do with tanks right now for the vast majority of the player base. Hell even LCS is running very few ACTUAL tanks

junglers can legit go afk farm and then try to 1v3 and hold mid and then die and give double buffs to my enemy jungler and the game is basically over. why is this game even a 5v5 anymore.

Any role can go try to 1v3 and fail and make the game harder than it needs to be.

remove junglers from the game and make it a S K I L L based game with 2 players in top, 2 in mid, 4 in bot.

So make the game a 4v4 instead the FIVE VERSUS FIVE IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE AND HAS BEEN SINCE IT WAS IN PRE ALPHA all because you don't understand how the game works?

we don't need an extra person running around and inting in the game and making it the deciding factor between who wins and loses.

You mean like your 0/8 top laner you were just talking about? Or is this different because in this scenario the jungler isn't carrying you as you whine?

I literally lose silver games because my jungler afk farms and falls behind. I can have 3 winning lanes and my jungler is half a brain stem short of the enemy jungler and we instantly lose. this game is a fucking joke when i cant even win in silver elo as a diamond 3 player duoing with a diamond 1 player and our jungle literally ints and afk farms games.

At platinum I could beat my silver friends in 3 on 1 matches. If you can't win a game as a diamond in silver then you are the problem.

this is worse than when adc was the deciding factor of the game. all it took was one kill in bot and your game was decided but now its basically decided in champ select by RNG with who gets the better jungler.

As opposed to RNG with who gets the better bot laner? Or the RING of who gets the better mid laner? Or the RNG of who gets the better support? Or the RNG of which team has the higher overall MMR? Or the RNG of which team has the lowest ping? Or the RNG of.... well you get the point.

and yes this is one of my smurf accounts because i dont want public harassment on my main (ง •̀_•́)ง

Because you have no valid points and ramble on about things you don't understand - not only that but are too afraid of being proven wrong to put your money where your mouth is and give some semblance of proof to who you say you are?

PandaNator433 votes

thank you.

Anti Skaarl11 votes

No [zombie-brand-facepalm]

If jungler is removed, then the game is no longer League of Legends

Besides, how do you not carry a game with a duo AND in a match which is 4 ranks below you..

Got7s Jackson1 votes

youre right. its league of good players

5050BS1 votes

You do know the "jungle" role was not a thing in Season 0-1 right.
Duo top and bot and some times mid was common.

Sp33d Zer09 votes

And yet the jungle evolved out of that because, shockingly, when you do a better job of distributing resources across your team and can have someone who works as a dedicated play maker/ objective controller, games go much easier.

This is like saying we should remove supports because people when double bruiser bot lane.

Eye Of Terror1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sin Of Love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vcEX3B31,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-28T07:16:17.533+0000)

No [zombie-brand-facepalm]

If jungler is removed, then the game is no longer League of Legends

Besides, how do you not carry a game with a duo AND in a match which is 4 ranks below you..

Someone didn't play S1/ S2 where jungler was not compulsory. Those times were the real League of Legends.

hhaavviikk2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sin Of Love,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vcEX3B31,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-28T07:16:17.533+0000)

No [zombie-brand-facepalm]

If jungler is removed, then the game is no longer League of Legends

Besides, how do you not carry a game with a duo AND in a match which is 4 ranks below you..

that is just objectively wrong, LoL existed before a jungler was even a thing, back then it was LoL as well, be there a jungler or not.

Automated Riven1 votes

Inb4 this post is all fake to make it look like silver players are good.

Foxstep11 votes

You lose silver games cause you’re not good enough

dubahel4 votes

D3 and D1 losing games in silver. I think he's lying

Blåbæret9 votes

Jungler is the most difficult role in the game and you're talking about lack of skill? Lmao.

Automated Riven3 votes

This is probably true. Altho the skill needed to be a jungler directly correlated to how good the enemy team is.

The Nocturne God7 votes

Calling bs. A d3 and d1 cant carry a silver game together? I solo carry higher when solo smurfing. Doing a b5 to p5 0 loss run on another smurf now... the games are a joke they are so easy and I haven't even touched my main champ pool yet.

Got7s Jackson3 votes

let me think for a minute then, you main jungle and Im assuming you play jungle too. you obviously have more than half a brain stem compared to other bronze junglers so of course you win easily. thanks for proving my point that junglers need to be removed

dubahel4 votes

let me think for a minute then, you main mid lane and Im assuming you play mid lane too. you obviously have more than half a brain stem compared to other bronze mid laners so of course you win easily. thanks for proving my point that mid laners need to be removed.

Do you realize how stupid you sound?

MasterDClone2 votes

so because individuals are better than others we need to remove a role? that doesn't make any sense, i play jungle and even if i get outjungled by better jungler such as graves or kindred it's not an instant loss because i then rely on the rest of my team to get me shit, i am also really good at using smite and have done many baron seals from behind, even if the other jungler is better. Its a role that snowballs like anyother, you don't sound like a diamond player if you struggle this hard to win a handfull of silver games.

Rodeffs4 votes

Something isn't good – delete it from the game

Got7s Jackson3 votes

exactly. finally someone with a brain understands

BaldBritney14 votes

[{quoted}](name=Got7s Jackson,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vcEX3B31,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-07-28T07:23:29.599+0000)

exactly. finally someone with a brain understands

buddy, he was being sarcastic [fiora-cool]

MasterDClone1 votes

i cant tell if ur response is a joke or if you're being serious because he is obviously being sarcastic

Hügö4 votes

Ok hashinshin.

FixHealsRemoveGW1 votes

While your at it, also remove ranged champions from top lane, or just remove them all together.

Automated Riven3 votes

And supports mages and adc's. The game would be so much more fun if it was only bruisers. Well. Actually just Jax.

FixHealsRemoveGW1 votes

Not so sure about mages but tanks certainly need to be removed, because they auto win lane all the time.

Tormentula4 votes

Can we remove supports, mids, tops, and adcs? I'm tired of these roles being 80% of my games

They're constantly feeding in lane resulting in them undoing my skillful knowledge to help them so I don't lose. Then they constantly keep taking my buffs later on like they deserve it despite being 0/5 and there being a legendary leona for what the fucks reason. We don't need an extra 4 players to flame you for not doing your job when they're the customers that make your job impossible to do half the time by giving fb and not taking teleport before the first clear and repeating it everytime a rotation is planned.

League should be a skilled based 1v1 in the jungle, where better jungle wins not based on which got the dice rolled team of who blames the jungle the hardest.

Also this is my main account because I don't give a shit. ° ͜ʖ °

Leto GT4 votes

Dia 3 who can't win silver games and who ask jungle to be removed. Lol. Doesn't make sense. You're not diamond.

The Nocturne God3 votes

Lol, at least post from the smurf you are playing on.

Inb4 500 silver games from yet another wannabe.

BEST MEAT BALLS1 votes

hahaha good one

Thefrostyviking3 votes

This is not how it works tho? ._.

Jungler dying once, twice or even thrice by the time teamfights start will not end the game for your team, it might happen if they run in and die trying to gank repeatedly or fail early invades but thats about it.

Laner, especially toplaner, going 0,3,0 is much worse because that means there is a enemy lane that often need more than 3 people to stop them, like Darius, Fiora or jax.

TekkenPlayer3 votes

Removing jungle would actually harm everyone. 2v2 lanes top would only benefit hyper mobile laners, cheese strats, and other cc heavy lanes. It would be like bot lane but worse.

I think if we incentivized deep warding and vision denial for things other than vision , and gave more meaningful objectives then the game wouldnt be pidgeonholed into "take turret, dragon, then rotate to against an unfortunate laner" that has been the dominant strategy for ages now.

Hayaishi3 votes

The amount of agency junglers have is disgusting. Even when adcs were OP the game was decidef by which jungler camped bot.

It's been like this for to long, junglers need to be nerfed.

mack91123 votes

Just ward dude. If people like you turned the salt off this game would be far better.

OtterlyLost2 votes

ADC was never the deciding factor in the game, even when they were strong. A bad ADC could get fed and still carry mid to late on the sheer lead they had based solely on if their support and, yes, their jungler had half a brain. ADCs have never had the level of control over the game that jungle and mid lane have. If I were to divide the game agency up between all the roles, it would honestly look something like:

Jungler: 50% Mid: 25% Support: 15% Top and ADC: 5% each

Jungler has always had the most sway over the game. The fact of the matter is that it disgustingly decides the outcome of most games. Junglers will tell you,"its not my job to win your lane" except that they have so much influence over the game that it actually is their job on top of being their job to actually win you the game.

The jungling role has far too much influence while other roles(top and ADC) have far too little. I dont care if they keep the role but my fucking god, I wish they'd rework it in a way that would make it stop being the most important role in the game.

Daddy Ants2 votes

And I'm sick of shit like this

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Darkshad101 votes

{quoted}

And I'm sick of shit like this

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https://i.gyazo.com/960078be9104e2f969f9a9f64b1286bb.png

gotta give some justice to the support.. she is 0/7/23 supports are supposed to get assists so i would say she did pretty good but yea that adc fed hard

W01fedin2 votes

So basically delete a whole role that people main and like because you got some bad matchups, sounds like you just got some bad junglers....

kda akali1 votes

I like your name

FilDaFunk1 votes

WTF?

ΦmalphintoΦ1 votes

Remove Tarzan also and everything will be okay.

https://image.ibb.co/kEzJoo/tarzan_ss4.jpg

Marothennan1 votes

Best feeling is when ur jungler misses smite on baron 3 times in a row

AmazoX1 votes

Yes because removing the role of Jungle would completely balance the game.

Thilmer1 votes

Can we give more influence to toplaners instead?

Is not fun being the most irrelevant role in the game for whole seasons.

PhearBunny1 votes

Keep the jungle role, change the map to 6v6. 2top 2bot 1mid 1jungle

KlydeFrog1 votes

No one said you have to jungle no one said your required to

no Luck Ever1 votes

hell no dont remove jungler role or i cry

The thigh guy1 votes

Oh yes. The role that is constantly 3 levels behind a solo laner and 1 level behind the duo lane unless they afk farm is definetly the center piece of that game. -.-

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