About them bruisers

Shelissa·Nov 1, 2018·11 votes·6,418 views

Y'all ever gonna stop making bruisers ~~too strong~~ in general? I'm pretty tired of seeing the HP of a tank, the CC of a support, and the damage of a mage all in one ridiculous concept of a character. It's exhausting to play against, it's boring to play as, and it literally just doesn't make sense in terms of how many roles most of them fill at one time. Burst damage, CC, self-preservation, mobility, and then the itemization is constantly in their favor. And most of their items, or at least the necessary parts that give the spikes that they need (phage/sheen), synergize way too well with their kits. Y'all need to come up with a game that isn't League of Burst Damage™ and give us something the whole family can enjoy. Thanks!

23 Comments

nelogisNov 1, 20184 votes

I'm pretty tired of seeing the HP of a tank, the CC of a support, and the damage of a mage all in one ridiculous concept of a character

At first I thought you are talking about Juggernauts that have less mobility and range than Gromp so they need their base stats and survivability to even do something but then...

it's boring to play as, and it literally just doesn't make sense in terms of how many roles most of them fill at one time. Burst damage, CC, self-preservation, mobility,

That is no longer a Juggernaut, are you perhaps talking about this shithead? Irelia

In which case yes, gut her

PopcornBunniNov 1, 20182 votes

Boards in feburary 2018: When are you going to buff bruisers riot smh Boards in october 2018: omg fucking nerf bruisers already riot smh

Meanwhile I've been getting dicked by them as a top lane tank player since mid-season 7's gutted tank itemization.

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

Eh, its more the less Conqueror raping tanks up the ass with 20% conversion all game instead of scaling with level. They did say they would look into tank items. If they are, I want one thing: an item or some item gets reworked to reduce true damage. As it stands, if they don't lower conqueror's conversion to by level, tanks in top are gonna be worthless outside of Sion. And he's only doing gods work right now because of his W and the massive power of Q's damage and the cc power of R into Q.

ankoanko19Nov 1, 20181 votes

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Boards in feburary 2018: When are you going to buff bruisers riot smh Boards in october 2018: omg fucking nerf bruisers already riot smh

Meanwhile I've been getting dicked by them as a top lane tank player since mid-season 7's gutted tank itemization.

mid-season 7's gutted tank itemization. bramblevest introduction in lateseason 7

Moody PNov 1, 20182 votes

Bruisers are the fairest champion designs in the game and make more tradeoffs than other classes for their strengths

Mages are far more toxic than 97% of fighter designs

OtterlyLostNov 1, 20182 votes

I said this when people complained that bruisers were "weak." They were never weak. They just didn't have a keystone so in true Riot fashion, they grossly over compensated them with Conqueror and now all you ever see are bruisers who have always been problematic. Anyone who doesn't see the issue with a class of champions amount to the largest generalist in the game is either delusional or just not paying attention. What does a bruiser trade for their tankiness? Its usually intended to be damage but no; they get to have damage. So what does a bruiser trade for their damage? Its usually tankiness but no; their items give them tons of health and their kits provide them with various means of damage reduction. So its not tankiness.

nelogisNov 1, 20182 votes

bruisers who have always been problematic

???????

What

Name me one OG bruiser that has always been problematic

Anyone who doesn't see the issue with a class of champions amount to the largest generalist in the game is either delusional or just not paying attention

Bruisers? Generalists?

Do you know what a generalist is?

Camille Kaisa Irelia

Those are generalists

Hecarim Olaf Yorick Darius DrMundo Garen Illaoi Kled Nasus Shyvana Trundle XinZhao

These guys are NOT generalists

There are not many generalists in the game actually, mainly the newer released champs are generalists.

What does a bruiser trade for their tankiness? Its usually intended to be damage but no; they get to have damage

If they compensated damage for their tankiness then that would make them a tank?

Juggernauts trade pretty much all their mobility for that and also reliability

Darius Yorick Mordekaiser Garen Illaoi Nasus

Skirmishers aren't as tanky as tanks or juggernauts and do less damage but are more reliable and mobile

Jax Kled Renekton Olaf JarvanIV XinZhao

Then there are fighters that arent tanky at all and rely on one or two specific spells to survive but deal a lot of damage and are pretty mobile

Fiora Riven Jayce Gangplank MasterYi

their items give them tons of health

So do AP items whats your point? Also Bruiser itemization is the most expensive in the entire game they deserve to get something back for buying the items.

Unless you want to make Steraks / Black Cleaver /Trinity Force / Titanic Hydra all cost 2800 gold After that you can reduce the HP but then don't wonder that bruiser turn into raidbosses by mid game

ankoanko19Nov 1, 20181 votes

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I said this when people complained that bruisers were "weak." They were never weak. They just didn't have a keystone so in true Riot fashion, they grossly over compensated them with Conqueror and now all you ever see are bruisers who have always been problematic. Anyone who doesn't see the issue with a class of champions amount to the largest generalist in the game is either delusional or just not paying attention. What does a bruiser trade for their tankiness? Its usually intended to be damage but no; they get to have damage. So what does a bruiser trade for their damage? Its usually tankiness but no; their items give them tons of health and their kits provide them with various means of damage reduction. So its not tankiness.

What? Honest to God, which bruisers were even remotely meta other than Camille because she could abuse comet? Watch Gbays video ''the last good bruiser'' and he'll tell you all about the 3 different archetypes of bruisers. Fiora isnt the same as Irelia and Irelia isnt the same as Illaoi but they're all bruisers.

ShelissaNov 1, 20181 votes

Tall'mbout Irelia, Camille, Aatrox, and anyone else who fits that niche.

nelogisNov 1, 20188 votes

Yeah go play Olaf in the top lane and you will realize REAL quick that the problems aren't bruisers in general but the few OP bruiser you just mentioned

4 champs being good doesn't mean the whole class is broken, by that logic we should nerf all tanks because Sion is strong

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

{quoted} 4 champs being good doesn't mean the whole class is broken, by that logic we should nerf all tanks because Sion is strong

I mean, all tanks have gotten nerfed (top lane wise) because the "lord and savior" Conqueror needs to have 20% true damage conversion at all levels. Makes you wonder why armor feels so useless, tank or not.

nelogisNov 1, 20181 votes

Nobody asked for Conq, everyone just wanted FoB back.

It's also not a cakewalk to fight against 120 Armor / MR at lvl 1 that also does damage for some reason. If you need to fight bullshit you need to use bullshit.

Neither of them are good but you can't really remove the one without removing the other

IMO just replace Conq with FoB and replace Afterschock with CotC

Could even make the new Shield bash usable on more champs

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

Yeah, both of them are problematic, although they've managed to make Aftershock less...desirable on most of the champs that originally ran it. I would be down to replace both, but idk about bringing Fervor back in a already damage heavy meta. And CotC might be problematic as well (in some hypothetical situations) Like, Aftershock would be balanced, if it granted more armor and mr late game than early game. Currently its high early to band-aid tanks in bot lane from being pincushions (and Conqueror isn't being run on ADs except Draven). This year was the best, and the worst for balancing top lane in a long while.

nelogisNov 1, 20181 votes

FoB would only stack on enemy champs and doesn't create a true damage problem, you can buy armor against it and counter the keystone that way or just try to do small trades.

Conq just stacks on minions and the guy jumps on you ignores a part of your armor and doesn't give a crap if the trade is small or long, keystone is fully active either way.

I don't know but to me it seems like FoB was just way more stable

And CotC might be problematic as well (in some hypothetical situations)

Why do you think that? Tanks bot have existed before Afterschock too so Courage have worked out for them in the past, why wouldn't it work now?

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

Either way, both runes are stat checking eachtother. I'm down to test FoB and CotC in the preseason. Depends if Riot actually wants to go that route.

ankoanko19Nov 1, 20181 votes

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I mean, all tanks have gotten nerfed (top lane wise) because the "lord and savior" Conqueror needs to have 20% true damage conversion at all levels. Makes you wonder why armor feels so useless, tank or not.

Tanks were trash before 8.6, cut the shit.

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

Huh? I recall being able to play Mao and not get massacred before Conqueror got added in. And Ornn wasn't so shitty before that too.

ankoanko19Nov 1, 20181 votes

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Huh? I recall being able to play Mao and not get massacred before Conqueror got added in. And Ornn wasn't so shitty before that too.

placebo. Mao was shit before 8.6.

RagnaveilNov 1, 20181 votes

Then why do I recall tanks mainly being played UNTIL 8.6? If they were shit, then why were bruiser mains complaining all day long??

ankoanko19Nov 1, 20181 votes

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Then why do I recall tanks mainly being played UNTIL 8.6? If they were shit, then why were bruiser mains complaining all day long??

It wasnt until 8.6 but around 8.3 or 8.4. Before 8.6 and after 8.3 the only good toplaners were comet abusers and Singed. So Mao was shit but someone like Sion was very good.

PaffWasTakenNov 1, 20181 votes

...The first two are skirmisher/assassins abusing bruiser items and the latter is a bruiser building assassin items. How is this proving that actual bruisers are strong?

ZackTheWaffleManNov 1, 20181 votes

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Tall'mbout

what

EpikGamersOnlyNov 1, 20181 votes

bruisers are ok imo as a kled main but yeah conq needs to be reworked but they cant cuz without conq bruisers wouldnt be a class so they need to nerf everything else first if they wanna keep our class a class