what's the difference between obscurity and invisibility

Kaiyle·Jul 3, 2019·5 votes·7,275 views

i heard that akali's w will change form obscurity to invisibility. what's the difference ?

23 Comments

FOR JUSTICEJul 3, 20195 votes

i think you can't get towershot if you're obscured, and you're pretty much immune to true sight.

Invisibility makes sure she can't dive with impunity and can be "revealed" completely if she's close enough to the tower now so if she's under tower you can now use point click and autos.

Most importantly if you use a tether now with the new patch notes though she stays revealed so you can target with stuff.

KanzlerJul 3, 20191 votes

They removed her immunity from tower shots ages ago.

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20192 votes

This is one reason why it's getting changed, player stupidity like the one in your comment.

She got changed 5 months ago. Now if she's in tower attack range, she will be fully revealed, meaning you can click on her.

D357R0Y3RJul 3, 20191 votes

No just no

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20191 votes

Why in the holy name of Ahri are you getting upvotes and we are getting downvotes?

Do you people even read patch notes?

She is not revealed by the tower, that's a fact. She can't dodge tower shots because she's revealed by towers, so why the Shaco are people upvoting lies?

FOR JUSTICEJul 3, 20191 votes

If I'm not mistaken if one goes invisible (not obscured) and is detected by a tower/shot or revealed, you can target them as normal. And according to the patch update they added the true sight to leblancs tether, which iirc is just the final one. You confirmed these facts yourself, therefore the only actual wrong thing would have been the first sentence, which wasn't even 100%

And only one getting downvoted is you though most probably for the random insult, everyone else just got some random downvote. Hell, even I am just breaking even. Judging by the other posts you made in this thread, that's most probably why considering it's the only one.

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20191 votes

Akali will also be targeted as normal if revealed by tower, regardless of Obscured or not, Obscurity now only works on True Sight from abilities like TF ult, Lee's crap, and such.

And while yes, saying "player stupidity" is not the friendliest thing, you're the 5th person THIS WEEK ALONE that has said the same thing about Akali, and I've even saw 2 people say how her lane sustain from her Q is too strong, but....that healing was also removed at same time they changed her W to be revealed by towers, 5 months ago.

So how else am I supposed to call it when people complain about stuff long since removed as if it's still there? About the people that for some reason don't know those things are removed even if it was something that made a lot off fuss when it was removed, from both parties, pro and con Akali.

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20195 votes

As Umbreon said.

Obscurity means that any form of reveal other than Towers will show her outline but you can't point and click on her, again, unless she's within a Tower's attack range.

Invisibility means that any form of reveal will allow you to click on her.

She obtained Obscurity with her rework because her base damages were low for an Assassin, heck, she had the highest TTK of all Assassins, and even a lot of mages had better TTK than her, and also because she's squishy. She had a good defense in Obscurity, so it was ok to be this squishy, but with that removal, she needs some buffs in the base defensive stats department.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 3, 20193 votes

They function the same normally, however, true sight merely reveals your outline when obscured, meaning you can see her, but you can't actually target her with autos or point and click abilities.

The exception is turret shots, which can still fire at you even when obscured. Unless that change wasn't actually implemented or I understood it wrong.

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20193 votes

Close.

Now the tower fully reveals her if she's in tower range, meaning you can actually click on her if she dives.

She will need some base defensive stat buffs with the W nerf. Her defense was the reason why she was so squisy, but since now Lee, TF, LeBlanc and many others who have forms of reveal can reveal her, she's too squishy to withstand, so she needs some beef added.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 3, 20191 votes

Huh. Yeah, she's revealed in the turret's AA range but only silhouetted in its true sight range.

Meh, close enough.

IP MasquerenaJul 3, 20191 votes

True, and that's why the change is garbage unless she gets defensive buffs.

chipndip1Jul 3, 20192 votes

You know, for all intents and purposes in most match-ups, there isn't much of any difference. In key situations in certain match-ups, though, she isn't revealed by revealing abilities.

If she has regular invis, it takes one Jinx Zap or one Lee Q or one Karma tether and she basically has no defenses to survive long enough to do what she needs to do, which is why this change is horrible. She's balanced around needing more time to function, which gives the opponent time to react, but also having the tools to do those functions, which means she can't get straight dog piled on like any other assassin when they're cc'd once. I don't think the change will blow over well.

GigglesOJul 3, 20192 votes

Honestly the issue with damage/assassin champions is that they are relatively immune to counterplay.

The counterplay used to be build tanks don’t get dead to assassins... now it’s try and blow them first and harder because you know damn well you are going to die within 2-3 seconds of them touching you.

chipndip1Jul 3, 20191 votes

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Honestly the issue with damage/assassin champions is that they are relatively immune to counterplay.

No.

The problem with assassins is that they were hardly designed with counter-play in mind to begin with until recently. Akali is one of few assassins where her core design isn't some bullshit "Either you die in .5 seconds or you don't" interaction like LB, Shaco, Talon, K6, Rengar, or whoever else you can think up. I never have and never will be able to figure out why non-pros can't figure out fighting this champion. Most other assassins are way more infuriating than Akali's ever been. At least she lets me play the dang game.

Also "building tank" isn't counter play. That's counter building. Most assassins have no counter play outside of "CC them" or "Survive the initial burst somehow". Few assassins with appreciable amounts of counter play are ones like Zed, Ekko, and Akali.

GigglesOJul 3, 20191 votes

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Zed, Ekko

Because there is nothing like pressing a button and nearly immediately being out of danger...

chipndip1Jul 4, 20191 votes

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Because there is nothing like pressing a button and nearly immediately being out of danger...

Just because they have tools to escape a situation doesn't mean you didn't make them have to escape the situation.

I'd rather deal with an assassin pick that has escape tools than an assassin pick that nullifies my input in the game by just happening to target me instead of someone else from stealth while darting around at 500+ MS.

GigglesOJul 4, 20191 votes

I’d rather have tank item mixed builds on squishy champions back. That way you can actually fight assassins.

chipndip1Jul 4, 20191 votes

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I’d rather have tank item mixed builds on squishy champions back. That way you can actually fight assassins.

GA? Zhonya's? Banshee's? Schimitar? Hex Drinker? Phantom Dancer? Locket? Zeke's? Tabi boots? Merc Treads? Morello, Ryalai's, and Liandry's that all give HP?

We never lost the ability to build defensive stats on squishy champions.

GigglesOJul 5, 20191 votes

GA, zhonyas, banshees, scimitar, hexdrinker/maw,PD, Morellonomicon, Rylis, Leandris are all Damage primary, defense secondary.

You weren’t here when we had real defense season 1-2 and the healer meta season 1. Those were some fun games.

chipndip1Jul 5, 20191 votes

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GA, zhonyas, banshees, scimitar, hexdrinker/maw,PD, Morellonomicon, Rylis, Leandris are all Damage primary, defense secondary.

You weren’t here when we had real defense season 1-2 and the healer meta season 1. Those were some fun games.

I'm not going to take your word on that. Nostalgia isnn't trustworthy.

GigglesOJul 5, 20191 votes

Banshees, GA were both solid defense choices but let’s be real here riot did change the game to be more damage oriented.

Daddy AntsJul 3, 20191 votes

Obscurity is an improved version of Invisibility. You cannot be fully revealed or attacked if a true sight effect hits you.

Invisibility means you can be revealed and attacked if you're affected by any ability that grants True Sight.

Champions like Morgana Caitlyn Lulu Karma LeeSin Kled Illaoi TwistedFate are good counters to Invisibility champions as they have True sight abilities in their kits.