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Can we "buff" frozen mallet?

sloverlord·2/13/2015, 6:02:48 PM·12 votes·2,124 views

The frozen mallet is a wonderful item, I love the concept behind it, but buying it right now just isn’t worth it.

I’m not asking for a stat increase here, all i want is a utility increase. I think it would be glorious if the mallet worked with AOE auto attack abilities. If this item applied its slow to everyone you hit, even a reduced slow, when built with items like ravenous hydra or on champions like Cho'Gath and Rek'sai, I feel it would see a massive increase in use, I know I would build it on these champions.

The big problem I see with the item right now is that the only way to get multiple people with it is to also build hurricane, and almost no-one would ever buy these two items together, or swap targets during a team fight (a big no-no). So, the slow will only apply to one enemy at a time, and any team that knows how to focus does not really need the item.

However, if the slow is applied by things like the hydra or rek'sai/cho'gath attacks, this allows for mush easier target swapping in a team fight, it allows your team to kill a champ and then swap to another already slowed champ, instead of needing your tank to go chase them down.

Rito Pls Buff Me, Yours Truly - item 3022

Edit - The only champions that could use this change without a hydra:

Cho'Gath - AP/Tank Diana - AP Jinx - ADC Kayle - AP Rek'Sai - AD/Tank Twitch - ADC Yasuo - Assassin Volibear - AP/Tank

Almost all champions with ways to activate this change without a hydra would never build this item.

19 Comments

Linna Excel2/13/2015, 6:08:20 PM6 votes

I disagree. I think they should got the Rylai's route and buff stats. Particularly the AD it gives. It costs as much as a BF Sword item but it only gives you 30 AD? That's crazy.

I say keep the price the same and make it item 1038 + item 1011 = 80 AD, 500 HP, and the on hit slow.

lojician2/13/2015, 6:56:12 PM4 votes

No. Forcing someone to stay in melee with you leaves no counterplay so items that would allow that must be bad. It would be like having a champion that passively created a ranged gap between herself and melees. Riot just doesn't do that kind of thing.

aaronconlin2/13/2015, 10:08:59 PM3 votes

Everyone cries about Kalista being impossible to catch now, can you imagine item 3085 + item 3022 on her?

Right now I tend to build it as an alternative go item 3083 on tanks like Nautilus.

Anyway, this change would buff a specific group of champions, like MonkeyKing, Riven and Fiora who all use item 3074 religiously. Adding an AoE slow to champions like that seems like too much power.

I do agree that the item should get some sort of buff, though.

Celeste Benal2/13/2015, 8:33:24 PM2 votes

Aoe slow on every AA would be broken as hell for every ADC in the game. It'll never happen.

Sirsir2/13/2015, 11:30:50 PM1 votes

If you want the slow on Cho build Rylai's, same basic thing.

And honestly Riot has stated their hatred of permaslows already. I doubt they would buff it. What I would like to see is the passive straight up removed, cost reduced, slightly more AD but not enough that you would build it on ADCs as a defensive item.

pleep2/13/2015, 7:53:04 PM1 votes

Aeo slow is just pointless and unnecessary.. and probably a little broken on kalista.

I agree with what linna said , the item needs is stats buffed . Either that or its price lowered. It wont happen though, riot said they are planing on deleting the item because of "muh counterplay"

SwordGrunt2/13/2015, 9:10:34 PM1 votes

I was support MissFortune on Nemesis Draft

We gave them Warwick DrMundo Garen Mordekaiser Udyr

It was fun MissFortune item 3022 item 3085

I feel bad for the players on the other team though, the thing I hate the most in this game is being permaslowed as an immobile melee

On topic, I honestly think this item would be fine if it costed less gold. It's just too expensive to be good. If it was 2900 like item 3116 it would actually be a great item, obviously still situational as it should be

Jolly Rogered2/13/2015, 11:07:36 PM1 votes

I still use this item on Shen