Platinum Promo's- places me with three silvers..........

Stegasaurus·Jul 29, 2016·11 votes·1,224 views

This is my third time in my plat promo's, and every single time I have games like this. Why should I be playing with silver and low gold players when trying to get into plat... it doesn't make any sense.

I love playing support, but it's the worst when playing with a silver 2 Ashe who did about 1/4 (maybe less) of the damage in fights than she needed to. the Ashe dealt 23.4k damage when both of my teams tankier champs both dealt over 50k. The enemy support did 33.4k damage as well. last time I checked an adc should out damage a support bard in a 53 minute game...

sorry this just turned into a rant about that specific game, but my point still stands. I shouldn't be playing with silver elo teams in my plat promo's.

16 Comments

The DeckownerJul 29, 20165 votes

This is what dynamic queue does, lower elo boosted animals group up in oremade, they get the mmr punishment so they will face higher ranked players, and higher rank players will also fill the team with biosted premades, making the solo players who filled in the left over positions have to compete with players at the same or higher level with boosted teammates.

J EpsteinJul 29, 20164 votes

So I was G4 one game and I was paired with two Plats, a silver, and an unranked. I was told that it was because the plats had low MMR, which is why they were paired with me. Then my MMR was low as well, which is why I was paired with a silver and unranked.

#RitoMatchmakingLogic

I wear GivenchyJul 29, 20163 votes

WELCOME TO LEAGUE. So happy this game is dying.

RegulasJul 29, 20162 votes

That's easy: to prove that you yourself are Plat caliber. The pointI guess is to have you as the strongest player on your team so that any victories will rely on you explicitly. Otherwise you could get carried through promos far too easily.

The total match mmr is still equal for both teams so it's still fair.

Also consider when queuing to restart queue if it gets too long to minimize how far it might search in mmr.

CppLJul 29, 20164 votes

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That's easy: to prove that you yourself are Plat caliber. The pointI guess is to have you as the strongest player on your team so that any victories will rely on you explicitly. Otherwise you could get carried through promos far too easily.

The total match mmr is still equal for both teams so it's still fair.

Also consider when queuing to restart queue if it gets too long to minimize how far it might search in mmr.

Then he should play vs platinums( thats how it was all the time.you in promos for platinum? you play vs plantinums.Promos for diamond? you play vs diamonds etc) ,not carry 3 low silver noobs.Thats retarded.Riot fucked up matchmaking so hard after they introduced dynamic crap.

RegulasJul 29, 20161 votes

No you're getting it backwards. The point is to showcase your individual skills, which is unlikely to be the case unless your team is depending on you explicitly, which can only happen if your notably best player on the team.

jaymc1130Jul 29, 20161 votes

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The total match mmr is still equal for both teams so it's still fair.

This is incorrect. Completely false. You fail to account for the MMR of individual players in relation to the position they play and the amount of influence those position have on the game. I'll explain more later.

Also consider when queuing to restart queue if it gets too long to minimize how far it might search in mmr.

This is actually a great piece of advice for the OP and one I will be giving myself when the OP gets back to me about this subject with some more in depth information.

RegulasJul 29, 20161 votes

It's possible for variation in individual matches but still averages out overall. More you seem to be forgetting that you (or OP in this case) is substantially higher ranked then the enemy team and unless you select fill you're not going to be playing an unknown role.

In other words you should be winning your lane/role and simultaneously having a larger then normal impact on the rest of the match.

jaymc1130Jul 29, 20161 votes

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It's possible for variation in individual matches but still averages out overall. More you seem to be forgetting that you (or OP in this case) is substantially higher ranked then the enemy team and unless you select fill you're not going to be playing an unknown role.

In other words you should be winning your lane/role and simultaneously having a larger then normal impact on the rest of the match.

Some of that is accurate. But this is what you are forgetting.

What happens when you have a gold mid laner vs a silver mid laner? What happens when your jungler is also gold vs a silver? Those matchups clearly favor the higher ranked player. Those roles also have a larger impact on the games than the support role does. This is one of the largest flaws with DQ, amtchmaking doesn't every account for the POSITIONS people are playing and will just assume a match is fair when the collective team mmrs are relatively close. In the case presented by the op you can clearly see that before this game ever even started the op was at a significant disadvantage being the most skilled player in his team in one of the two least influential roles. He never had a 50/50 shot of winning that match. It was closer to 40/60.

Understanding situations like this and using op.gg to help figure out when matchmaking has paired one poorly like it did for op in that game is a key to mmr management. If you avoid poor quality matches and use the dodge feature a player can put himself in better positions to have success more often and avoid positions of potential failure.

There are even more details I could share on this note but I'd like to be sure op is around to absorb the knowledge before I get into anything really in depth.

Kenioshi2 sequelJul 29, 20161 votes

I'd say the Rengo Rengar was the real reason you lost that one

jaymc1130Jul 29, 20161 votes

Well after checking op.gg there is something you may want to consider in the future. Yes, the stuff about matchmaking and DQ is relevant, but that is NOT the only reason for the players you are paired with.

Part of climbing is learning to manage one's MMR, and yours is significantly lower than it should be for a Gold 1 player. Not massively off, but its only about gold 2 level. Check op.gg to see what I mean. It also says you were silver last season, so if I had to take a guess I would say that you likely placed closer to bronze when the resets happened for this season.

If you could sir, if you would like further assistance, state what your placement record was, where you placed this season, and how much LP you are currently gaining per win on average. I'd be happy to help provide you with some tips to help you learn to manage your MMR appropriately so that you can make climbing easier on yourself but I require some more detailed information first to be able to do so.

Edit: I SHOULD mention before I forget that pairing you with a player almost 300 MMR below you has become common place and this should not happen. That, unfortunately, is an inherent aspect of DQ and the quality of matches suffers because the system is poorly designed. But not to worry, even that has a way to be dealt with which I can get to after you provide me with some more information.

NiaphimJul 29, 20161 votes

I think op.gg isn't accurate anymore as it doesn't measure premades' mmr penalty and thinks you are playing with legit silvers, while it's a premade whose mmr is inflated by 1 tier to compensate.

legendarytigerJul 30, 20161 votes

i dont know about OP, but i would be interested in some good advice for climbing out of "low elo hell" since i havent been doing a good job of it going solo.

StegasaurusAug 1, 20161 votes

While i understand what your saying, my mmr is 1652 while the average silver 2 player is 1365. that's too much of a difference.