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Vayne is "balanced"

Sûicìde··11 votes·2,266 views

Riot Please, recently just played a game as Warwick against Vayne. If you haven't heard, Vayne is retardedly broken. I'm Warwick, i have 4500 hp, 300 armour, with Randuin's Omen, but this Vayne, she just completely destroys my entire team. When an ADC and just right click and face tank against a bruiser tank and live on full health, maybe it's time to look at the balance. An ADC should need to kite, you know, so that there is some skill involved in the role, but once they can literally face tank your entire team and come out on full hp, they may be jus a tiny bit unbalanced, wouldn't you think. So Riot please. I beg of you, make Vayne balanced, maybe don't let her practically one shot a squishy with a q auto. make it so that she actually needs to rely on her condemn, and invisibility during her ultimate, make her into the champion that was regarded as needing skill to play, right now all she needs is to build 2-3 items and then she basically solo carries games. So Riot, I beg of you, please nerf Vayne in some way so that I don't want to dodge the moment I see that Vayne locked in.

39 Comments

Taliyah Rocks5 votes

I feel like Vayne has a broken kit design. I feel like she should be a tank destroyer with her attack speed and true-damage on every three hits, which i would be fine with. But she's currently both a tank melter and a squishy buster whenever she gets a lead. She's usualy kept under control by early game bullying, but she becomes out of control whenever the meta favors her the slightest, which is why she has so many ups and downs.

I feel like she should be reworked with that niche in mind, she should be able to handle tanks, not faceroll everyone whenever she gets a slight lead.

Other adcs have a very specific niche they fit in, why does Vayne have two???

Quinn = Roam MF = AoE Sivir = Pushing power Varus = Poke Graves = short-range bruiser-ish adc etc. Vayne = tank buster AND late game hyper-carry???

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

just a stupid question here?

cant most adcs late game at full build kill tanks? and do alot of damage late game?

unless they cheap out for the early game leathlity snowball stats?

for example cait ?

Ritesh3 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uc78QuvA,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-03-15T04:25:02.792+0000)

just a stupid question here?

cant most adcs late game at full build kill tanks? and do alot of damage late game?

unless they cheap out for the early game leathlity snowball stats?

for example cait ?

Yeah that's true because most true tanks like Maokai rely on their base damage, which obviously falls off later on. With all the pen going around it doesnt really matter late game.

Taliyah Rocks2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uc78QuvA,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-03-15T04:25:02.792+0000)

just a stupid question here?

cant most adcs late game at full build kill tanks? and do alot of damage late game?

unless they cheap out for the early game leathlity snowball stats?

for example cait ?

12% max health in true damage every three hits while ALSO having the league's best base attack speed and attack speed scaling makes her a tank buster more than any other adc. Her mobility and Condemn also helps her keep them away with their limited mobility.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes

but cait criting on every other shot if not every auto plus her head shot passive late game can melt through some pretty tanky people her self.

jinx as well

kalista ,kog, twitch etc

there is more then one adc at 6 items late game that will shred tanks

Automated Riven2 votes

jinx kog and twitch are all better late game hyper carries then vayne is. People just hate vayne cause she also gets to 1v1 everyone and live.

edit not actually 100% sure on kog anymore but he used to be stronger late game then vayne. Also argueably trist would be stronger late game due to pure aa range.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well the reason kog would seem weaker... is cuz of being immobile... and the way most people play now is all damage carries in every role an adc like kog dont do well... cuz his team isnt playing for or around his gameplay...

i remember a time where the meta was to play "protect the carry " comps where you did everything you could to fed the monster lol ( kog for example) and get him to that late game asap and keep people off him so he could legit 1 vs 5 a team.

but now there are such a high number of champs with stupid range/mobility and people dont wanna or dont care to play that type of comp any more he is kinda left to the way side.

but when it comes to vayne she is not only an adc who is a late game hyper carry she is also a great duelist and that is what makes her a bitch to 1 vs 1

Automated Riven1 votes

I was more unsure due to his changes. I havent watched them recently but it seemed he was super weak compared to his pre rework state. pre first super minigun rework

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well yes.. but in general that is why adcs dont seem as impactful as they once were.

if he gets to 6 items he is gonna do damage just the same as any other adc the issue is the meta of super hyper mobile champs and everything is a damage/carry role so for him to be effective you have to go back season 3/season 4 metas of protect the carry comps

Brain Errör 4041 votes

People keep forgetting Vayne is suppose to be one of the best dueling adcs as well as her tank buster kit. I think she needs a fiora scale rework~ You get your tank busting and your dueling abilities.

She has more than enough trouble taking out more than 1 target if one of them is pretty beefy anyways. Getting outplayed due to coordination doesn't make for a busted champ. Most people hate Vayne because she's annoying when she gets loads of peel -- but that can be said about any adc. They also hate her because they expect Vayne to be a free kill if caught out alone -- not factoring in that she's suppose to be a duelist.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ps you suck at vayne stop playing her lol

unless i am supporting you then ill let you carry

Brain Errör 4041 votes

Pls dude. I'm too busy playing Nier and Black Desert to care about league. These games are awesome.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

back to the vayne hate and crying ?

Tatrii2 votes

Ofc, anytime Vayne becomes a mid-tier ADC all you get is people freaking out about how she is apparently EXTREMEMLY OVERPOWERED NO COUNTERPLAY LITERALLY MOST BROKEN CHAMP IN THE GAME on the boards lol

Tormentula4 votes

Vayne sucks early, if she gets ahead that's not vayne being broken, that's your team not knowing how to close a game.

I'd much rather see a vayne on the enemy team than a nasus who seems to do his job even when behind.

Granted she's a toxic champ design but vayne is the least of your worries right now.

Sûicìde1 votes

We put the Vayne behind in lane but as soon as she gets 2 items and leaves lane, she just starts to absolutely destroy my team

RainXBlade1 votes

Well that's your fault for letting that Vayne farm up.

Rule No. 1 of this meta right now: Even if ADC's are bad, you NEVER, EVER underestimate Vayne's power

Vayne's one of the few ADC's who can kill almost anybody whether she has peel or not and that the Vayne player has good ADC mechanics.

Glîtchy3 votes

Vayne's most broken feature presently is the fact she can even use lethality.

hi im bannned3 votes

don't build health, also if you reach late game with an enemy fed vayne. best chance is to peel ur damage dealers instead of ulting the back line.

RainXBlade2 votes

Not building health against a Vayne is like saying the easiest way to counter any champion is the phrase, "just CC him/her". With or without health, a Vayne can shred anybody past 35 mins.

hi im bannned1 votes

look, adc's are adcs. if vayne isnt able to take out these big ass so your cant get to the enemy carries then how would you balance that champ lol. every adc is like that, they scale late game. it's a natural thing. and like i said ulting the backline after 30 min against a vayne isnt a good idea since u just get destroyed by true dmg, if you really wanna do dmg then gank early but multiple times so vayne is behind.

LordGeovanni1 votes

we know its like that thats why we are calling out the bull shit.

hi im bannned1 votes

... i've played this game for a long time. it's natural. you guys have to be new to adcs and how they scale right?

LordGeovanni1 votes

except that adcs are super safe by nature so scaleing whether you win early or not is pretty bs when being safe makes it hard for you to die early and being safe late makes punishing an adc late game the hardest thing in the game. Vayne being the least safe early (along with lucian) of a the 2 super safe classes means really little. Adcs are bad early is not a true statement. Adcs arent at the best they can be early is what is actually true and is taken to mean they are bad early when they actually have no trade offs except that they dont curb stomp from the very beginning are are more equal with every one else than they are late even if more equal still keeps them ahead of most of the pack except other super broken adcs mages and assassins.

RainXBlade1 votes

Games can last longer than 30 mins.

You're lying to yourself and to others by saying that.

hi im bannned1 votes

what..? holy i try giving you advice and your just constantly stubborn to prove a meaningless point, not to mention you dont even play ranked LOL?

RainXBlade1 votes

I don't often play ranked but from the few games I've had back then, it was pretty much decided on whichever team had the least amount of utility but had instead the strongest amount of burst wins games. This pretty much puts out all the late game hyper carries, save for Vayne.

Cloud2732 votes

Do you realize how short her auto attack range is? She puts herself in range of like 90% of the abilities in this game every time she tries to auto attack something or tumbles toward them. Why is your team not blowing her up when she gets in range of your abilities?

HeresyHorus3 votes

Vayne has 550 edge to edge aa range which is slightly more than 650 center to center spell range.

what is Vayne only counter since her mobility, stealth and self peel invalidates all skillshots and dashes aimed at her ? ( assuming the Vayne player is not a monkey ) ... targeted hard cc.

once u check all champs that have targeted hard cc u will realize that very few of them have a hard cc spell on more than 600 range.

do u know does that mean ? especially when aa in this game have 0 turn rates and adcs have very fast and smooth aa animations ?

She puts herself in range of like 90% of the abilities in this game.

so stop this "low range" bullshit please, its a bad and stupid illusion that works only on newbies.

Automated Riven1 votes

she is short range tho. compared to every other adc in the game her effective range is shorter then all of the other ones. even sivir/lucian which have shorter aa range have an efective range of farther using abilities.

ThePikol2 votes

i have 4500 hp

%max HP

300 armor

true dmg

There goes your answer

Its All Skillzz2 votes

enemy team had a fed singed. i played brusier vayne. Vayne item 3022 item 3046 item 3153item 3065 item 3026 item 3006 He cried as he chased me :P

FooDang1 votes

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If you havent heard, Vayne is retardedly broken.

*crickets

Glîtchy1 votes

I think she just needs to not get lifesteal with the silver bolts ability, or make Thornmail punish true damage AD badly.

RainXBlade1 votes

I can argue that Vayne's ability to virtually win almost any 1v1 (if played right) and that she can shred tanks is insane, but she does have a shorter range than most ADC's and is the squishiest ADC next to Ezreal. Positioning is important in most ADC's, but Vayne takes the cake for being the most position-reliant ADC there is. I can understand that her early game is pretty easy to punish, but once she gets a lead not even a Caitlyn, who is supposed to be the best lane bully out of any ADC, can stop her onslaught.

Overall Vayne is healthy, but very obnoxious to deal with when fed and played well and/or the game is past 35 mins and she already has >1.5 attack speed. She's possibly more obnoxious than any of the assassins or a Yasuo.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

so what you are telling me is that you let the game reach the late game, against a champion that is considered a HYPER carry, didn't bother focusing said HYPER carry and thinking that just because you have armor it would mean anything... if your team doesn't focus the carry of the enemy team and you lose guess what? it's not the carry being broken is your team's target prioritization that is broken

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