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Thresh and Relic Shield

IntentCity··2 votes·778 views

I don't know if this was intended, but it is really hard to use the Relic shield item 3302 passive with Thresh Thresh . It could be because he is ranged or something to do with the passive on Flay. A good quality of life change would be to increase clarity on when you can execute something or to help him in particular out with the execute range. Is anyone else noticing this?

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Void Nargacuga3 votes

Yes it IS because he is ranged. The execution passive is Melee.

You have to CS somewhat normally. Taking E (Flay) first helps with this due to it ramping up the damage (its not OMG! crazy but it helps) of his next auto attack if he waits a bit.

IntentCity1 votes

Okay that makes sense. It's just weird because he is ranged but doesn't seem like he's ranged. Plus he is the only ranged champ that I've ever played that item on.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

He is actually the only Ranged Support that even suggests getting this item on him.

Sukishoo1 votes

Actually most of the time it suggested item 3301 on him.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

If i'm not mistaken (I may be) its been changed what is on to item 3302 . But yeah I remember seeing that before in the Suggested feature. I've just gotten use to using item 3302 on him.

Sukishoo1 votes

They might have changed it, since it is popular on him now.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Its a tricky item to get use to on him... I still mess up at timing my last hits even with Flay on occasion. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Sukishoo1 votes

So they did change it to the item 3302 now (just looked in-game lolz)

Yeah it can still be tricky to get used too. Any kind of ranged champion that uses a melee proc item is difficult, but he was never meant to be that easy afterall.

Void Nargacuga2 votes

No kidding on not being easy. XD Fun as hell though! So much potential... So many ways to fuck up as well.

FreudFromSKA2 votes

Honestly frustrating item on thresh. It reminds me of the champs who are junglers but can't efficiently use the jungle items.

Maximum Morde2 votes

I used to get relic shield on Veigar support lol

DadBodMan1 votes

THANKYOU!

DadBodMan1 votes

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I used to get relic shield on Veigar support lol

I used to go tank support Veigar with relic just to piss people off, but with how his stacks work now he would still end up with 1000 ap

Savage Devi1 votes

We already have all the clarity we need. The relic shield expressly states that the execution effect is melee only, and it should be clear to anyone who's tossed a single basic attack as Thresh that he is ranged.

Void Nargacuga2 votes

I remember seeing someone claim that he is a "Ranged melee" in one of these threads once... WTF?!

At least this OP asked if its due to him being ranged.

BattleMan691 votes

Well he IS melee in the sense that his auto attacks have no projectile in them, but ranged in the sense that he cannot use relic shields passive and can make use of the hurricane passive. He isn't fully ranged.

Void Nargacuga1 votes

He is fully ranged. He can buy and fully benefit from item 3085 but cannot benefit at all from item 3077 and its upgrades. Heck he can't even BUY Tiamat.

BattleMan691 votes

are there any other ranged champions with instantaneous auto attacks that don't travel? item effects aside

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Kayle with Righteous Fury active is the definition of LITERALLY no travel time because its instant and even gets to deal damage in an AoE, and Velkoz (Organic Deconstruction - Basic Attacks: Vel'Koz's basic attacks don't use projectiles).

Thresh 's auto do take a SMALL amount of time in between the auto animation and damage being dealt.

As noted here in his passive:

Damnation Basic Attacks: Thresh's basic attacks do not utilize projectiles, and his basic attack wind-up is only reduced by 0.25% per 1% bonus attack speed, rather than the standard 1%.

BattleMan691 votes

true I didn't think about that. I concede

Void Nargacuga1 votes

Its fine... I lurk the League of Legends Wikia often when I'm confused or curious about something... Which can be often at times, or when I need to point out how things work like passives or abilities.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Relic Shield explicitly states that it only executes minions on MELEE autoattacks (in the first sentence of its description).

Thresh is a ranged champion.

How is this, in any ways, confusing? It is very explicit.

IntentCity1 votes

Maybe it would be helpful to read the whole description every once in a while xD. That being said, it is a good item on thresh otherwise plus it is recommended. Sometimes I go amulet coin instead.

SUPP0RT MAIN1 votes

Lol , this is intended. Since thresh is ranged you have to get the killing blow for the relic shield to proc on your adc. Riot made it like this because he is ranged meaning he can get it from far away so their going to make getting it to proc harder. For melee champs it only takes only a few aa's and boom, because in the process of getting it to proc your also likely to take damage from poke since you are going up to the minion and are closer to the enemy. All in all this is intended, and I am a support main and thresh is part of the very few supports I play and it's not that hard. If you know how to cs properly getting your relic to proc is easy .

IntentCity1 votes

Right. It's just a matter of not being used to it not executing below a certain threshold (pun intended). Reasons why I can't get out of silver.

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