Supports that wont build sightstone

GarthBrooksIV·Jul 8, 2016·22 votes·3,217 views

WHY THE FUCK ARE U PLAYING SUPPORT IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BUILD THE MOST BASIC SUPPORT ITEM!?!?!! FUCK YOU! YOU THINK VISION ISN'T IMPORTANT WHEN UR GETTING 4 MAN GANKED AND COMPLAINING? FUCK!!!

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Hencho101Jul 8, 201611 votes

"I don't need the extra health that SS gives, i'm not a tank" - my Lux support

hghvcdgdsvJul 8, 201610 votes

As a support main I honestly don't understand why some supports don't build sightstone. I don't feel complete until I get it. It's my best friend and I want a sightstone pillow so I can feel safe falling asleep at night :3

SpoofghoulJul 8, 20169 votes

damn its so dumb really

if you are going to hurr durr APC support just build item 2301

I build it on midlaners quite often because it gives everything you need, extra gold manaregen some bonus damage a bit of health and most importantly vision

Sightstone is probably the strongest defensive item in the game so if u gunna need defences just buy a sightstone

zlumpyJul 8, 20167 votes

Does this thread also come paired the threads of: Mid-if your opponent roamed bot either push your lane or follow Adc-learn to last hit for the love of god! Jungle-Stop picking a hyper carry when the team has no tanks! Top- Stop picking into hard counters and auto losing lane!

More problems going on then just supports in this game.

TheOvermindJul 8, 20167 votes

To all assassin players out there. Should you ever find yourself falling behind, find and kill those greedy "supports" that build full damage and disregard utility and vision. Free gold really. Why bother with that lv11 adc and you can literally one shot that lv9 ludens Echo rush Annie support ? She is worth just as much gold. People should start doing this. Maybe that will teach those greedy "supports" to get some vision for the team so that they can spot the sneaky assassins .

ElstirJul 8, 20166 votes

"But i need damage. Fkc wards"

VvVVvVJul 8, 20166 votes

This is why i fukin hate lux, nidalee and annie supports. All they do is build full AP with no SS.

Nidalees are the worst. They think laying their traps in the bush and river is enough...and then when the gank comes they turn into cat form and leap away to safety while the adc is getting gang banged.

Jeddy017Jul 8, 20166 votes

As a guy who plays a lot of support, fuck supports who don't buy a sightstone. I don't care what you're doing, at least buy a sightstone & use it. You can be playing full AP support Zed for all I care as you got the sightstone.

Everytime we have a "support" not buying a sightstone, I'm buying a freaking sightstone myself regardless of what role I'm playing. Someone has to buy a fucking sightstone. Of course if I'm ADC & my support has a problem with that, they can go fuck themselves.

Itadaki SeiekiJul 8, 20165 votes

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WHY THE FUCK ARE U PLAYING SUPPORT IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BUILD THE MOST BASIC SUPPORT ITEM!?!?!! FUCK YOU! YOU THINK VISION ISN'T IMPORTANT WHEN UR GETTING 4 MAN GANKED AND COMPLAINING? FUCK!!!

If you have no vision then play safe. It isn't hard. Working around your team's lack of vision is something that teams have to go through on rare occasions. If you're having an issue, tell people to spend 75 gold on a Vision ward, and use trinkets. Not having a Sighstone isn't the END of the world, but it just makes your games harder.

Jeez, Sometimes I forgo Sightstone on Bard if I want to grab Swiftness and roam a bit more before getting vision. You can't dictate how your teammates build, you can only lead them in the right direction. If you sit there, bitch and complain, don't expect them to work with you. " Hey Brand, mind grabbing a Sightstone? The vision we can snag from it would be really good. "

" stfu noob "

Then buy one yourself. It may push your build back a bit but Vision can get you surprise ganks and surprise kills.

Attticus FinchJul 8, 20161 votes

Buying pinks isn't always a viable option for non-supports because it's extremely easy to fill all your slots when building items- comparatively supports, who have no real gold income and thus don't/can't rely on items as much, are therefore more suited for buying vision.

There's plenty of logic-hoops one can make for supports not buying a sightstone but at the end of the day it's still a fact that you're fucking your team over and giving an advantage to the enemy by not buying vision.

GarthBrooksIVJul 8, 20161 votes

The thing that bothers me the most is that someone would select support without any intentions of fulfilling the role. I know some people select support just because they don't want to wait 3 or 4 minute queues.

BeldairJul 8, 20163 votes

And if you start reporting supports, that que time will just increase...

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20165 votes

That's Rito's fault for not reverting Dynamic Queue in spite of the nth complaints, lower revenues and declining viewership. That's Rito's fault for refusing to buff struggling support champs or incentivising support players with higher LP gains/lower LP losses. That's Rito's fault for not giving a shit about their own damned customers and Rito's attempts to kill their own game.

We players aren't to blame, in spite of contrary claims by those same Rito gods that you blindly worship.

BeldairJul 8, 20162 votes

Rito can't make ppl play support because it has and will always be an unpopular role...just like healers in WoW or other MMOs are rarer than other classes...

Even in Soloq, que times were astronomical and dodges were very common because person A wants a certain role but Person B already locked in and claimed that role so Person A dodges...

i don't blindly worship anyone.....I state an opinion and if ppl don't like it they can down vote... But don't go saying I blindly worship Riot because I've stated in a few posts where Riot has screwed up.

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20165 votes

Since you continue to insist on not reading my posts, I'm forced to repeat myself: Rito is at fault for not INCENTIVISING players for picking support. As a matter-of-fact, Rito CAN and DO force people to play support, it's called Auto-Fill which they turn on at "slow" times.

Mr FidoriJul 8, 20161 votes

That's Rito's fault for not reverting Dynamic Queue

This is not related to Dynamic Queue, but rather how New Champ Select works and how very few people ever want to support.

zlumpyJul 8, 20165 votes

The position isn't called ward bot. If they help their lane partner survive, farm, and get kills they can play whatever they know how to support with however they wanna support. Obviosly something won't work as well but you never know. Velkoz used to be a troll pick support, but look at him now.

YJRBqwXJcSJul 8, 20161 votes

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If you have no vision then play safe. It isn't hard. Working around your team's lack of vision is something that teams have to go through on rare occasions. If you're having an issue, tell people to spend 75 gold on a Vision ward, and use trinkets. Not having a Sighstone isn't the END of the world, but it just makes your games harder.

Jeez, Sometimes I forgo Sightstone on Bard if I want to grab Swiftness and roam a bit more before getting vision. You can't dictate how your teammates build, you can only lead them in the right direction. If you sit there, bitch and complain, don't expect them to work with you. " Hey Brand, mind grabbing a Sightstone? The vision we can snag from it would be really good. "

" stfu noob "

Then buy one yourself. It may push your build back a bit but Vision can get you surprise ganks and surprise kills.

Re read his post he clearly stated the support was complaining about ganks

Yuzuki YukarinJul 8, 20165 votes

Agree completely and here's a helpful tip while you're at it:

If you see a teammate lock in Sona, you can already assume they're going to refuse to build Sightstone because her core items are 6k in gold. If you don't won't her INTENTIONALLY stealing CS and KSing, I'd highly suggest dodging. I do it myself every time if I haven't already, otherwise I just report them for picking Sona/not buying Sightstone.

Also after a game, look at both supports and report them if they don't have a Sightstone. Riot themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in fact a reportable offense.

Swiftstrike4Jul 8, 20164 votes

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Agree completely and here's a helpful tip while you're at it:

If you see a teammate lock in Sona, you can already assume they're going to refuse to build Sightstone because her core items are 6k in gold. If you don't won't her INTENTIONALLY stealing CS and KSing, I'd highly suggest dodging. I do it myself every time if I haven't already, otherwise I just report them for picking Sona/not buying Sightstone.

Also after a game, look at both supports and report them if they don't have a Sightstone. Riot themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in fact a reportable offense.

I main Sona for support and I always build item 2301 . I build full damage after that though ha.

GarthBrooksIVJul 8, 20161 votes

Most Sonas Ive seen have built item 2301 . I'm really just annoyed at a small population of assholes who build a item 3025 or item 3068 instead of spending a measly 800 out to get a sightstone.

Swiftstrike4Jul 8, 20161 votes

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Most Sonas Ive seen have built . I'm really just annoyed at a small population of assholes who build a or instead of spending a measly 800 out to get a sightstone.

Ha those items are terrible for her and are not even support items.

BeldairJul 8, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yuzuki Yukarin,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uB6iXooH,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2016-07-08T08:31:15.405+0000)

Agree completely and here's a helpful tip while you're at it:

If you see a teammate lock in Sona, you can already assume they're going to refuse to build Sightstone because her core items are 6k in gold. If you don't won't her INTENTIONALLY stealing CS and KSing, I'd highly suggest dodging. I do it myself every time if I haven't already, otherwise I just report them for picking Sona/not buying Sightstone.

Also after a game, look at both supports and report them if they don't have a Sightstone. Riot themselves have repeatedly stated that it is in fact a reportable offense.

Where did Riot state it was reportable?

I don't seem to be able to find that post...

And supports aren't the only ones that need to ward.

Oh look, junglers get a ward smite...maybe they all should get that or be reported...

Oh, top doesn't have tp... Guess we should report...

Oh, they want Garen mid....report for trolling... Oh Garen went 11/2/15 well still report...

Mind you the Garden mid part is just a random point, but do you see my point here....You start reporting Supports for not getting Sightstone and a few things will happen:

Fewer people will play support which means longer ques...

People will start reporting other lanes for whatever kind of excuse they'd want....

Supports will get more toxic which entail makes the entire team and game toxic...

There's a pattern..

Now I am a Support main and always get the ward items but I can also see the kill lane's point of view.

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20165 votes

Just because you can see somebody else's point of view doesn't make it valid. I can see a mass murderer's point of view, yet I still condemn their actions and so does society.

I for one do in fact report top laners with no TP, trolling mid-laners(especially Garens and yes, regardless of score) and I will never condone a player who picks support with the intent of trolling just so they can cheat their way into a shorter queue time. You want a kill lane? You want to carry? Fine, just so long as you build a Sightstone.

BeldairJul 8, 20164 votes

Yes. But his comment was Riot stated it was reportable.... I have yet to see that post from Riot...

And some Top laners go ignite or exhaust to help secure their lane...it's called situational gameplay...

Not every match is gonna have the archetypical top tp, mid ignite, jg smite, bot heal, and support exhaust.

Some have variations to that. Which have been proven to work by not only regular players but also the pro's....

And what I'm stating is Norm matches, you know the matches where you are supposed to have some freedom for experimenting...

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20165 votes

Taking ignite or exhaust doesn't mean you can't have TP as well. Since you seem to have forgotten, you get 2 summoner spells, not just 1.
Mid doesn't need ignite, they're the lane with the most freedom on their spell: TP, exhaust, heal, cleanse, barrier, ghost.
Jungle does matter-of-factly need smite, the role doesn't work without smite because, since you seem to be rather uninformed: RITO LOCKED HUNTER'S MACHETE FOR PLAYERS THAT DON'T HAVE SMITE
"Bot" is a lane, not a role and yes bot does need heal, but it doesn't have to be the ADC, he can have barrier or cleanse instead and the support take heal.
I for one am not fond of exhaust on support except against champs that want to fight, it seems to be low elo players are the only ones who seem to think it's mandatory on support.

How the hell am I supposed to know you're talking about normal matches? Especially when you implied it's ranked with your repeated complaints about queue times. If you're going to post in a thread as a Filthy Casual, at least start all of your posts with, "I am a filthy casual, but I'd like to speak regardless."

BeldairJul 8, 20163 votes

And do you know who makes up a majority of League's player base....us "filthy casuals"..

But we know what we are talking about as well..we play long enough to have some experience. Hell my brother has a friend who played since Beta and has seen some poor excuses for sportsmanship...

And que times does not imply ranked...norms have que times too...

If you que up for ADC, you select bot in role selection...

And I'm just stating that not every game is gonna be similar with summoner spells or with items...

If a support doesn't pick up sightstone, then the team needs to play around their lack of vision..

Scary DoorJul 8, 20164 votes

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Just because you can see somebody else's point of view doesn't make it valid. I can see a mass murderer's point of view, yet I still condemn their actions and so does society.

I for one do in fact report top laners with no TP, trolling mid-laners(especially Garens and yes, regardless of score) and I will never condone a player who picks support with the intent of trolling just so they can cheat their way into a shorter queue time. You want a kill lane? You want to carry? Fine, just so long as you build a Sightstone.

The good news is that your report weight is likely zero because you are using the function for something unintended. Nowhere has Riot ever stated that you have to have teleport on a top laner, in fact they even explicitly state that you DON'T have to follow the meta. So... feel free to keep wasting your report and making yourself irrelevant.

BeldairJul 8, 20164 votes

No please, let him keep reporting for frivalous things... I'm sure there's some kind of ban for false reports or something like that...

Miku Hime samaJul 8, 20165 votes

"We don't want our players following the meta."

"We are making it impossible to buy a jungle item without smite. We don't want to support the meta, but we're doing this regardless of our own philosophy."
"We are making Kindred because we want a marksman who can jungle. Unfortunately, she needs tank-stats and tank-sustain because we hyper-buffed jungle camps to support the meta, in-spite of our claims to not support the meta."
"We are removing the bland team-gold from dragon for overpowered effects that can single-handedly decide matches. You're going to need smite to secure them, so you're going to need a jungle, in spite of our claims that we don't support the meta."
"We are nerfing Runeglaive because mid-lane champs are buying it, in spite of our claims that we don't support the meta."
"We are making Dynamic Queue, which blatantly supports the meta and forces our players to support the meta."

Yeah... no, Rito does support the meta. For your information, their report system is actually automated to check if your items, summoner spells, chosen position and various other factors are uncommon. Sorry to burst your bubble, but going off-meta is actually reportable. So much so that they created an automated system to ban people for it so there's less work for their moderators, not that Rito employees actually do any work.

Scary DoorJul 8, 20163 votes

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"We don't want our players following the meta."

"We are making it impossible to buy a jungle item without smite. We don't want to support the meta, but we're doing this regardless of our own philosophy."

"We are making Kindred because we want a marksman who can jungle. Unfortunately, she needs tank-stats and tank-sustain because we hyper-buffed jungle camps to support the meta, in-spite of our claims to not support the meta."

"We are removing the bland team-gold from dragon for overpowered effects that can single-handedly decide matches. You're going to need smite to secure them, so you're going to need a jungle, in spite of our claims that we don't support the meta."

"We are nerfing Runeglaive because mid-lane champs are buying it, in spite of our claims that we don't support the meta."

"We are making Dynamic Queue, which blatantly supports the meta and forces our players to support the meta."

Yeah... no, Rito does support the meta. For your information, their report system is actually automated to check if your items, summoner spells, chosen position and various other factors are uncommon. Sorry to burst your bubble, but going off-meta is actually reportable. So much so that they created an automated system to ban people for it so there's less work for their moderators, not that Rito employees actually do any work.

Show me evidence, not conjecture, that Riot WILL ban you for not following the meta. Show me a player that has been banned for not following the meta.

I'll wait.

Miku Hime samaJul 8, 20165 votes

Here's a better idea: find it yourself. Send in a ticket to support and ask them for all I care. It's not my fault you're uninformed and refuse to believe somebody who knows more than you.

I already tried to help you, that's more than most people are willing, I have no obligation to put myself out. Choose not to believe me if you want, it'll be your own fault when you get banned for going AP Kalista Jungle with Ghost+Cleanse.

Scary DoorJul 8, 20161 votes

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Here's a better idea: find it yourself. Send in a ticket to support and ask them for all I care. It's not my fault you're uninformed and refuse to believe somebody who knows more than you.

I already tried to help you, that's more than most people are willing, I have no obligation to put myself out. Choose not to believe me if you want, it'll be your own fault when you get banned for going AP Kalista Jungle with Ghost+Cleanse.

Ahh, so what you're saying is that you have no evidence. Why would I need to find it? You're the one that made an outrageous claim.

There's a difference between playing off-meta and deliberately sabotaging your team, so stop being so obtuse. You're just mad because your report weight is zero from filing falso reports against people that don't play precisely the way you want them to...

Stay salty I guess, I'm sure it's working out well for you.

It Hertz When IPJul 8, 20161 votes

No. Just no.

It is entirely possible to build Sona without her "core" items as a utility support.

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20165 votes

Building Sona without her "core" items has a less-than 28% winrate. She does not work as a champion without either Spellblade or Echo. Hell who am I kidding, Sona just doesn't work as a champion(PERIOD) She is the lowest or 2nd lowest in the entire support class for literally every number on her stats and abilites, she's officially the weakest support in this game.

x R U K A xJul 8, 20163 votes

The reason supports don't build sightstone is because most "support" players nowadays think of themselves as an APC, part of the reason why people play Annie, Brand, Vel'Koz, and Veigar "support", and to them sightstone doesn't offer anything good enough for them to want to buy it. Now if Riot made it where sightsone gives some AP then I'm 100% sure people would start buying it. In general most of the warding items are only really good on tank supports like Braum, Leona, and Thresh because they need health to be tanky which they get in spades. The issue is that there aren't any good warding items for AP supports with most of the support items favoring tank supports.

Zane ZephyrJul 8, 20161 votes

There is a sightstone item that gives AP. It's just not as strong as FQC is so it's not as popular.

Mig89Jul 8, 20162 votes

i love eye of the watcher. it gives everything FQC gives just slightly less damage and wards. the AP is barely a difference

rtbf221651412Jul 8, 20163 votes

Tanks could theoretically build it. Jungles can too.

Mr FidoriJul 8, 20162 votes

I love that this got downvoted... /s

Double sightstone is my favorite.

AWildAPKalistaJul 8, 20164 votes

Cool beans, but I downvoted him for the implication that the support doesn't need one if a tank or jungler built one. I'm almost certain that's exactly what he meant with that post: an excuse for himself not to buy one.

Mr FidoriJul 8, 20161 votes

Oh, I see. I stand by another comment I made here that it's not necessary 100% of the time (off-meta supports with vision in their kits, etc.), though it's definitely useful 100% of the time, and should usually be built.

But both having one? That's my shit right there.

rtbf221651412Jul 8, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Fidori,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=uB6iXooH,comment-id=0004000100000000,timestamp=2016-07-08T16:53:46.991+0000)

Oh, I see. I stand by another comment I made here that it's not necessary 100% of the time (off-meta supports with vision in their kits, etc.), though it's definitely useful 100% of the time, and should usually be built.

But both having one? That's my shit right there.

He is lying. Look at my match history. EUW Match History as well. Same name.

rtbf221651412Jul 8, 20161 votes

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Cool beans, but I downvoted him for the implication that the support doesn't need one if a tank or jungler built one. I'm almost certain that's exactly what he meant with that post: an excuse for himself not to buy one.

That is not true. More vision is better than none. If the charges of the primary wards are on cool down for the entire team, you only have three wards that can be placed.

Also, I did not excuse myself not to buy one. How about you check match history before you start slandering people? Do you lack the simple intellectual capacity to do so?

Oh no, I'm building Soraka a ward on EUW? Mad?

I build wards on jungles at times. I also do on tanks. I also do on supports. Be more inaccurate with your statements. Assuming does you no justice but making enemies. Thanks.

Also, the people who down voted this are ridiculous. I stand by what I said after building wards as a jungle while support also built wards. Mad?

NiaphimJul 8, 20162 votes

There is a difference between "don't build SS at all" and rushing FQC for example. First is hard to understand, but the second route is perfectly viable.

Also, make sure you contribute to vision as well. Nothing makes me happier as a support than an adc who buys pinks, so that we have at least 2 wards (trinket+1-2 pinks) early in the game. When I see 4-5 pinks on the map simultaneously, I'm ready to die from happiness.

GarthBrooksIVJul 8, 20161 votes

As a jungler and support main, I'm always trying to get vision whether its with scuttle crabs or buying pinks throughout the game, smiting enemy wolf camp, im doing it cuz i know it makes the game WAY easier. I get VERY salty when the support decides not to buy a sightstone at all. Especially when its someone like blitz or nautilus opposed to annie or zyra.

NiaphimJul 8, 20164 votes

Ok, let me share my logic when I play support. So far it's been pretty successful.

There are ways to know where the enemy team is without using wards in the river/tribush.

Look where the enemy team walks from at the start of the game. Who leashed for their jungler? Can he gank early? You can then understand his jungle route and be safe for a few minutes. No need to ward.
The enemy jungler just showed up top? He won't be bot for another ~30 seconds, but mid might be in danger, ping it for your mid. No need to ward.
Enemy mid recalled or is roaming somewhere? Play defensively for ~30 seconds until he returns to his lane. Even if you don't get all the farm, neither does he. Wards are not that much needed.
Top recalled? Same, he could tp or walk to your lane, especially if he is premade with adc or sup.
Tracking enemy top's TP cooldown is your top's duty. When enemy's tp is off cooldown, always consider a 2v3 (if your top gets poked hard and cannot help you). No need to ward either, but you might consider getting an early sightstone to get sweeper.

On the other hand, there are situations when you should build sightstone asap.

Who is their jungler? Can he solo dragon? If yes, then get SS as your first item and ward the shit out of the dragon. I've lost count on how many low-health junglers I killed as a support in the dragon pit.
Do you have a farm lane or a kill lane? If you can't really be aggressive and only want to farm, you'd better get this extra health from sightstone.
You are a tanky support. Health is a tank stat, you want tank stats.

BeldairJul 8, 20162 votes

This I agree with....

alasarcherJul 8, 20168 votes

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As a jungler and support main, I'm always trying to get vision whether its with scuttle crabs or buying pinks throughout the game, smiting enemy wolf camp, im doing it cuz i know it makes the game WAY easier. I get VERY salty when the support decides not to buy a sightstone at all. Especially when its someone like blitz or nautilus opposed to annie or zyra.

Ok , wanna talk about Supports?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2233526108/227824985?tab=overview

This is your game as Sona support. Where is Sightstone?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2222115748/227824985?tab=overview

Morgana support. No sightstone. But hey, at least u got 2x item 1058

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2198558449/227824985?tab=builds

No sightstone

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2194899000/227824985?tab=builds

No Sightstone

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2169773320/227824985?tab=overview

1:15:0 - No Sightstone

matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2113409456/227824985?tab=overview

No sightstone

And there are MANY MANY more games where you played support and didnt buy sightstone. Probably half of your support games u didnt get it.

SO PLEASE. JUST PLEASE. TELL US HOW CAN YOU OPEN THIS THREAD WHEN YOU ARE DOING SAME. WHEN U DID SAME IN HUNDREDS OF GAMES?

GarthBrooksIVJul 9, 20161 votes

Games we steam rolled the enemy and were so fed vision didn't matter. and the last game i was intentionally feeding. But how does what I build occasionally affect whats obviously the right item for your team in most situations? i really dont give a shit if support has a sightstone when were winning, but when were obviously losing because of vision problems I'm not happy.