Katarina is "Balanced"

Doughnut13··1 votes·1,787 views

Well Basically, Katarina is about the most balanced champion in the whole world. Now some of you might say "Shes easily countered" but not everbody has a tank that can only focus on knocking up katarina. The only reason is that she has a absolutley disgraceful scale in both AD and AP in her abilites allowing a Rabadon's Deathcap To instantly add another 300 Damage to her ult which will inevitably lead straight onto a penta. So the only thing im asking for is why not rework her and just make sure that her abilities dont scale like a escalator.

Now others may say that "Katarina is a hard and difficult character to play" and you know what i call bullshit on that statement as all you have to do is not be stupid enough to die before getting your first kill before going to bot lane and getting a double massively increasing your money meaning your items are far ahead everybody else.

Finnaly, a katarina appears every 3 games i play on average and a counter for her nearly is never seen.

19 Comments

S2C2Xd9KOy3 votes

katarina is terrible fk sakes xD she's honestly perfectly balanced

pripustas2 votes

Counter for her is any type of hard cc. If you let her get this fed, and even stack mejai, it's your fault.

CoolKnightST2 votes

Enemy Comp: Riven Ryze Draven Kalista Katarina you probaly had a mirror lane & won. Who's their jungler, did they even have one? This smells to a low elo game. Riven & Draven where the only one that could interrupt her ult & even than they can't react directly on it. Additionaly based on the layout this was the pre nerfed kata & the pre nerfed item 3285. Also the pre buffed magic resistance so MR items where still really expensive. Additionaly none of the champions above could build item 3190 with good synergy. Maybe someone could build item 3060 but back than it was way more expensive.

BlackEyesBlue2 votes

I wouldn't even consider Kat among the top 10, or even top 20 most broken or annoying champions right now!

She's too easily countered and can have a lot of trouble catching up she way she used to in this defence and CC heavy meta!

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

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not everbody has a tank that can only focus on knocking up katarina

Then you're team comp must be bad. If you don't have any hard CC at all, idk how you expect to win.

Now others may say that "Katarina is a hard and difficult character to play"

Said nobody ever. Where did you even get that from lol?

Finnaly, a katarina appears every 3 games i play on average and a counter for her nearly is never seen.

I have a kat in 1 in 10 games on average and half the time it's because I'm playing with my friend who is a Kat main.

Godaren1 votes

As a mid main I don't remember the last time I saw a kat get a penta that wasn't me. After her latest batch of nerfs I have probably only seen her about 2 times in the last couple months I am surprised you see her that much. Her abilities also scale so well because their base damage is laughably bad (her w does 40 damage lvl 1 lol) Her laning phase is probably the worst of any mid except for maybe akali, before you call me a bias kat main I barely play her anymore main zed malz and annie now.

Ionian2 votes

Is 40 at level 1 really that bad, considering it's aoe and has no cost? Foxfires have 64 damage at level 1, only hit 1-3 units and have a huge mana cost for the tickle damage they do. Foxfires are not even worth using until you're level 6+. Kata W is always worth using.

CreationFlaw2 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-17T19:15:48.906+0000)

Is 40 at level 1 really that bad, considering it's aoe and has no cost? Foxfires have 64 damage at level 1, only hit 1-3 units and have a huge mana cost for the tickle damage they do. Foxfires are not even worth using until you're level 6+. Kata W is always worth using.

I mean, they also lock on. And they end up doing stupid damage lategame for a lockon.

Ionian1 votes

Yeah, if you're in less than AA range. Everything Kata has is targeted. Only her W can be missed and you have to be really "good" at the game to somehow miss W.

Godaren2 votes

[{quoted}](name=If Ahri Was Real,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-09-17T19:15:48.906+0000)

Is 40 at level 1 really that bad, considering it's aoe and has no cost? Foxfires have 64 damage at level 1, only hit 1-3 units and have a huge mana cost for the tickle damage they do. Foxfires are not even worth using until you're level 6+. Kata W is always worth using.

Pretty simple if an ability with a cooldown does less damage then an auto attack from an ap champion it is terrible. Is foxfire a weak ability? yes but ahri is way stronger then kat right now because of the rest of her kit. Kat pretty much only works if the other team is dumb or has weak cc. Her play rate has dropped like 25% since the beginning of the season and she just feels pretty weak.

Subject 51 votes

They nerfed Akali by making her have to auto attack her Q.

Why not Katarina?

???

Godaren2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-17T19:07:56.377+0000)

They nerfed Akali by making her have to auto attack her Q.

Why not Katarina?

???

akali is garbage and never seen is that really the best example? More people play ez or kassadin mid then akali because she is so bad.

Subject 51 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crazy for Jinx,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-09-17T19:49:46.727+0000)

akali is garbage and never seen is that really the best example? More people play ez or kassadin mid then akali because she is so bad.

Bias is bias enough to seem very bias.

Anyways, Akali throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

Anyways, Katarina throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

Godaren1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-17T20:20:55.047+0000)

Bias is bias enough to seem very bias.

Anyways, Akali throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

Anyways, Katarina throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

Yeah cause the dude who mains zed and jinx would totally be biased against akali or towards kat lol, I am saying they tried nerfing akali that way and she went to trash so they shouldnt do the same to kat.

Kat Head2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-09-17T20:20:55.047+0000)

Bias is bias enough to seem very bias.

Anyways, Akali throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

Anyways, Katarina throws something and used AOE spin to hit it for extra damage.

The difference is the majority of Akalis damage comes from proccing that something. The extra damage Kat gets from proccing bouncing blades is pretty low.

@OP

Kat has a 48% winrate that is trending downwards, 84 champions in this game have higher winrates than her. Kat has a 4% pickrate (71 champs are played more regularly) and a 2% banrate (23 champs are banned more than her).

Katarina has been nerfed very hard in season 5, she has received nerfs to her :

Ultimate = Base Damage lowered Ultimate = Cooldown Increased a Metric fck ton Passive = Drastically reduced the window for resets E = Ap ratio reduced Health = Health reduced by 50 Health Regen = Lowered massively Base splash = Gutted, for the crap we have now.

Op before Katarinas last rework she was considered a very hard champion to play. Numbers backed this up, with her winrate being pretty high with skilled Kat mains and horribly low with people who did not play her often and average to bad players. Riot wanted to rework her to make her playable by the masses and they accomplished the goal they set out to accomplish. Except for the fact that now the very people who could not play her before can not seem to stop her now. So she has been nerfed over and over and over again, despite never having been relevant in pro play and most of the time not being that good in the higher elos of solo que.

Op you should buy and begin playing Kat, spam her in normals and solo que. What you will find is a champion that is very fun to play and MUCH weaker than she is perceived to be. Playing her a good bit will also make it easier for you to understand how to stop her and prevent you from making silly threads like this one in the future.

Subject 51 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kat Head,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=u1RaLK4E,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2015-09-17T21:29:01.537+0000)

The difference is the majority of Akalis damage comes from proccing that something. The extra damage Kat gets from proccing bouncing blades is pretty low.

@OP

Kat has a 48% winrate that is trending downwards, 84 champions in this game have higher winrates than her. Kat has a 4% pickrate (71 champs are played more regularly) and a 2% banrate (23 champs are banned more than her).

Katarina has been nerfed very hard in season 5, she has received nerfs to her :

Ultimate = Base Damage lowered Ultimate = Cooldown Increased a Metric fck ton Passive = Drastically reduced the window for resets E = Ap ratio reduced Health = Health reduced by 50 Health Regen = Lowered massively Base splash = Gutted, for the crap we have now.

Op before Katarinas last rework she was considered a very hard champion to play. Numbers backed this up, with her winrate being pretty high with skilled Kat mains and horribly low with people who did not play her often and average to bad players. Riot wanted to rework her to make her playable by the masses and they accomplished the goal they set out to accomplish. Except for the fact that now the very people who could not play her before can not seem to stop her now. So she has been nerfed over and over and over again, despite never having been relevant in pro play and most of the time not being that good in the higher elos of solo que.

Op you should buy and begin playing Kat, spam her in normals and solo que. What you will find is a champion that is very fun to play and MUCH weaker than she is perceived to be. Playing her a good bit will also make it easier for you to understand how to stop her and prevent you from making silly threads like this one in the future.

TL;DR: Because ban/pick rates matter. Because kat's damage doesn't come from her Q/

Sniper 01 votes

The think I noticed is that you already had a massive advantage and they really didn't know how to properly deal with a katarina in the first play. So you probably just took advantage of the fact you were playing against low elo players... o.o

DeynaTaggerung1 votes

When a katarina is faced with people who don't have good map awareness/bad positioning it's pretty easy for her to get ahead by double-killing bot lane. And once kat is ahead her burst potential goes way up and she'll probably stomp the game. This is why she's a really popular pick in bronze and becomes more and more unreliable as the skill of her opponents goes up. I used to see her aaaall the time in bronze and hated playing against it because even if I won lane she could just feed off my team. Since I hit B1 I have seen 1 katarina (150 games?) and she got rekt.

Diana his an amazing counter, her e was made for kat's ult and she out-trades heavily, champs that can poke her early generally do pretty well. I'll bet you annie is really good against her (never tried it but it makes sense).

If kat gets fed then for the love of God don't clump. The ad and ap carries will probably want to be a full auto-attack range behind/to the side of their team so when kat jumps in they don't get caught up in the aoe and can kill her.

Godaren2 votes

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When a katarina is faced with people who don't have good map awareness/bad positioning it's pretty easy for her to get ahead by double-killing bot lane. And once kat is ahead her burst potential goes way up and she'll probably stomp the game. This is why she's a really popular pick in bronze and becomes more and more unreliable as the skill of her opponents goes up. I used to see her aaaall the time in bronze and hated playing against it because even if I won lane she could just feed off my team. Since I hit B1 I have seen 1 katarina (150 games?) and she got rekt.

Diana his an amazing counter, her e was made for kat's ult and she out-trades heavily, champs that can poke her early generally do pretty well. I'll bet you annie is really good against her (never tried it but it makes sense).

If kat gets fed then for the love of God don't clump. The ad and ap carries will probably want to be a full auto-attack range behind/to the side of their team so when kat jumps in they don't get caught up in the aoe and can kill her.

Malz and annie are also really good counters to him kind of imposssible to lose lane to kat

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