Talons Current State

D3vil··9 votes·3,391 views
r/Talonmains - On patch 6.22, 4 assassins got reworked. Today, all of them were either reverted or changed because of their delay, except for 1.

Riot, PLEASE! Do something about talon. I’ve been playing talon for a long long time, and I don’t really like that talon isn’t where he used to be. To be honest I don’t have to say much, the guy who posted the thread in TalonMains described everything and he made it clear that talon do need to have a second look. And if you’re not willing to do anyhing about his kit, just PLEASE revert his w nerf so he can waveclear as he used to be without being forced to rush tiamat, which is useless to him, since he is an assassin and he needs to rush lethality items to be viable. Talon gets punished easly in high elo for roaming, midlaners just get 2 turret plates and thats equal 320g + the minions gold and exp that talon might miss, whereas talon is trying so hard to do his job and get a double kill bot lane or his lane is gg.

Edit: I know you guys hate Talon as he isn't that hard to oneshot the squishes, but that's only with his ultimate, since it can proc the passive pretty fast ( w-r-q-AA) without the ultimate talon combo is so hard to pull off since he has to be very close and hit with both w blades. If we talk about assassins, every assassin can shove wave easily and do the job as an assassin without relying much on the ultimate(Akali-Ekko-Leblanc-Fizz-Zed,) and they can handle more than 1 enemy at a time, besides Talon because he is much more relied on his passive proc which needs an AA to do so. Also, if we watch some Talon game plays in high elo, Talon fails miserably. adc's are much more conscious and its not that easy to roam bot and get the job done, mid-laners+junglers are good so they punish talon pretty easy. and he falls after lvl 13 as he start to max his e, since it wont deal any dmg, so he gets outscaled by pretty much everyone.

24 Comments

CrazyMonkeyCZ3 votes

No thanks, I'll rather take a bullet than Talon being meta. Revert his W? So he can freely push wave and hoppity hop arond whole map without any danger, no mana cost, no cd? Being jng vs good Talon is pain, being adc vs good Talon is pain and mid lane is just resident sleeper, "Hehe, lemme just braindeadly push and hop around", following him? Good luck. No, I'll rather lie down on the ground full of bullet ants. Never understood why otps want their champs op, git gud I guess.

Talon gets punished easily in high elo for roaming

Huh? What? W + tiamat and then he diappear for another 20 secs while losing nothing, putting out so much pressure, then he gets duskblade, bb vision...

What's next, Kata mains will come out from their holes and state Kata is weak...

D3m37r15 votes

What's next, Kata mains will come out from their holes and state Kata is weak...

That happens every other week.

Spankin Rankin1 votes

kata is weak...easyily counterable.

The bad Yasuo2 votes

i honestly wish they never reworked him. He was so much fun before the rework, but now there just doesn't seem like a whole lot of skill to him. He has 2 abilities in his kit. His q and his w. His E is just an irritating escape and offers nothing in combat. I miss when you could outplay skillshots by dodging them with his old e.

Spankin Rankin1 votes

he was busted then

kμrayami2 votes

i think the problem is that lethality sucks so bad the only champs thatt can work with it are those who scale with total ad like rengae or kha else its a shit stat that gtets countered so easy early/midgame

Super Galaxy1 votes

Shove wave with one or two W's. Roam to a side lane in 15 seconds. Point click burst. Repeat.

How interactive. No thanks, please stay nerfed.

Spankin Rankin1 votes

What is point and click burst on talon?

Super Galaxy1 votes

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What is point and click burst on talon?

The blades on his ultimate converge on a target you Q or auto attack, which are point and click.

LeBlanc Rose1 votes

Yet if you walk a decent bit while he does that you can dodge it. Literally aatrox e or vayne tumble, or even enough movement speed and you can dodge it.

D3vil1 votes

Oh, also Just think for a bit why don't we see Talon getting picked in the lcs?

Spankin Rankin1 votes

dumb point.

Respect Women XD1 votes

Talon is literaly best champion to win soloQ mach in low elo if you have 1% of xPeke skill, which is not much. I mean he snowballs every lane, ganks like crazy boi and makes enemies ff 15

D3vil1 votes

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Talon is literaly best champion to win soloQ mach in low elo if you have 1% of xPeke skill, which is not much. I mean he snowballs every lane, ganks like crazy boi and makes enemies ff 15

yeah true, but if we”just” look at champs in low elo, I don't think many champs will get buffs or adjustments, zed was prema banned in low elo pre-buff. but they still adjusted his early game and made him good in both low and high elo. Talon isn't a good pick in high elo. they even picked zed in the lcs + faker played him twice in stream after the adjustments.

Spankin Rankin2 votes

talon is better in high elo than low elo.

Spankin Rankin1 votes

? He is bottom of the bin win rate in low elo. Looking at his win rates, it's something like 39th out of 44 mid lane champions in bronze/silver.

The thigh guy1 votes

Assassins should never be allowed to be strong. They lack counterplay when they are strong, and even when they are “weak” they can still do their job (killing squishies)

As for not seeing pro play, it’s because they aren’t team player champions. As soon as your opponents group as 5 assassins are no longer good. And if you remove that weakness they lack real counterplay options.

Sir Aloo2 votes

"As soon as your opponents group as 5 assassins are no longer good." There are so many assassin champs that laugh at this statement lol

The thigh guy2 votes

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"As soon as your opponents group as 5 assassins are no longer good." There are so many assassin champs that laugh at this statement lol

Go ahead and try that into a lissandra. See what ends up happening.

Spankin Rankin1 votes

Positioning is pretty much the only ADC skill...

Spankin Rankin1 votes

Buy Zhonyas. Somehow pros seem to have counterplay against assassins?

The thigh guy1 votes

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Buy Zhonyas. Somehow pros seem to have counterplay against assassins?

Finish reading what I said and get back to me. Also Zhonya is not the be all end all counter to assassins. That’s like saying thornmail is the perfect counter to adc.

Aatrizy1 votes

yo guys, im a talon otp. trust me, this OP doesn't know what he's talking about nor the person that made the reddit thread. Talon is the healthiest he's ever been with clear cut strengths and weaknesses. Please do not get swayed by this, think hard about what this guy is saying. "mid laner will punish talon and get 2 turret plates", who in their right minds goes to roam before shoving the lane? it's literally the reason why we rush tiamat for quick and strong lane control to dictate the map. I agree, I do not like rushing Tiamat but it is what it is and frankly it's healthy for the game. Much better "problems" to be focusing on than fkcing talon.

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