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AREN'T YOU TIRED OF KAI'SA?

Yordle Skywalker·9/24/2019, 2:38:36 AM·47 votes·13,773 views

Here's the thing: Aren't you all junglers/assassins/bruisers tired of kai'sa? As an adc she outruns u, when you finally somehow (either flashing or whatever thing you do) get to her, she becomes invisible and she is again far from you, if you get to her again, then she WOOP teleports wherever she pleases and, surprise, she was almost dead but shield comes in action :) and if you are still able to catch her and fight her, she just Q's which does waaay too much damage, and SURPRISE you dead. Ok, I mean, as an adc you are not supposed to have stealth (with increased MS), mobility (short range instant TP) with a shield as well, super long range poke, free damage with Q (she doesn't even need to click on you, just press Q and you eat all that damage). Also there's another things like she scales off AD, AP, can evolve abilities, does both, physical and magic damage... I could be here all day talking about this "adc". Her kit is disgusting, so toxic, as an adc she has an assassin kit in my opinion, shouldn'be be played as an adc then, I feel like she's a hyper buffed Vayne 2.0, innecessary imo. I know adc players might say she's just fine. Well, she's always picked or banned, I'm starting to feel tired of seeing Kai'Sa everywhere, every game, like there's no more adc's. When was the last time you saw a Kog'Maw, Corki, Kalista or Varus? I feel like... it is always Kai'sa on one side and some adc like Lucian, Vayne or Sivir on the other side, but there isn't a game without a Kai'sa involved. I just think she's too much. Let me know your opinion on this, maybe it's just me being too worried or ignorant, but I just dont enjoy games anymore when I see Kai'sa in either team. She really needs to be brought to other adc's level to make the game more fair, since botlane has such a huge impact. Let me know if I'm just crazy. Thx

65 Comments

Infernape9/24/2019, 3:34:13 AM27 votes

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She's overloaded as shit imo

datfatguy9/24/2019, 1:55:29 PM15 votes

No ADC should have both a dash and invisibility and still have an insane damage output *COUGH COUGH Kaisa FUCKING COUGH COUGH Vayne *

50CaliberHecate9/24/2019, 9:12:49 AM11 votes

No, I'm tired of JInx and Jhin. Jinx the most. Hyper Carry and Back Line ranger with to much AOE Dmg and safety. Tired of Jhin cause' he's just in every game and it gets old. Like where are the Lucian and Ashe mains at anymore?

FioraWillCarry9/24/2019, 4:55:15 AM7 votes

I've never felt threatened even by a fed Kai'Sa. What champs are you guys playing that has you all so scared of her?

Zed genius9/24/2019, 2:19:11 PM7 votes

I love playing zed against kai'sa. I ult her, she tanks my entire damage with her ult shield and one shots me in 2.5 seconds, it's really so much fun to play against I don't see the problem

Jesi Oni9/24/2019, 4:27:45 AM6 votes

She is below 50% tho...

Smyrage9/24/2019, 4:52:39 PM5 votes

Her kit isn't that problematic... Remember her range buff at her release? Now that was totally unnecessary and that's the source of all of her problems, because she used to be the lowest ranged marksman.

CaptainAntiHeroz9/24/2019, 3:27:20 AM4 votes

Leona deep breathing intensifies

AIQ9/24/2019, 8:42:57 PM4 votes

Have you tried sneezing on her? Works for me most of the time.

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FUUUBAAAR9/24/2019, 8:35:07 PM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yordle Skywalker,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqjAIg0a,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-24T02:38:36.636+0000)

Here's the thing: Aren't you all junglers/assassins/bruisers tired of kai'sa? As an adc she outruns u, when you finally somehow (either flashing or whatever thing you do) get to her, she becomes invisible and she is again far from you, if you get to her again, then she WOOP teleports wherever she pleases and, surprise, she was almost dead but shield comes in action :) and if you are still able to catch her and fight her, she just Q's which does waaay too much damage, and SURPRISE you dead. Ok, I mean, as an adc you are not supposed to have stealth (with increased MS), mobility (short range instant TP) with a shield as well, super long range poke, free damage with Q (she doesn't even need to click on you, just press Q and you eat all that damage). Also there's another things like she scales off AD, AP, can evolve abilities, does both, physical and magic damage... I could be here all day talking about this "adc". Her kit is disgusting, so toxic, as an adc she has an assassin kit in my opinion, shouldn'be be played as an adc then, I feel like she's a hyper buffed Vayne 2.0, innecessary imo. I know adc players might say she's just fine. Well, she's always picked or banned, I'm starting to feel tired of seeing Kai'Sa everywhere, every game, like there's no more adc's. When was the last time you saw a Kog'Maw, Corki, Kalista or Varus? I feel like... it is always Kai'sa on one side and some adc like Lucian, Vayne or Sivir on the other side, but there isn't a game without a Kai'sa involved. I just think she's too much. Let me know your opinion on this, maybe it's just me being too worried or ignorant, but I just dont enjoy games anymore when I see Kai'sa in either team. She really needs to be brought to other adc's level to make the game more fair, since botlane has such a huge impact. Let me know if I'm just crazy. Thx

I wouldn't say you're crazy. You're just expressing an opinion, but to be frank, I'm just not having the same problems as you concerning Kai'sa. It might be because I did some research on the champion as soon as it came out back in the day (which I've done ever since the fiasco that was Yasuo's release, but that's a story for a different board XD), or maybe my play style just messes with Kai'sa players. I find that Kai'sa shows up in a little under a third of my games (seriously, check my match history... Second thought don't, my last two games in a row i had 4 tilt-o-matics instead of teammates and the sudden influx of residual salt might cause heart problems for readers), and I'm not seeing her banned very often either.

As far as her kit goes, well... I don't really have much difficulty with that either, as an opposing support or adc. Her q will only burst you down insanely hard if you're the only target in range, hanging out by your minions and/or teammates can absolutely ruin her chances to use it, especially early game. Her long-range shot is, in fact, a skill shot, so moving in random patterns when not auto-ing minions or otherwise occupied often leads to them missing you altogether, and if you see an ally get tagged with it, and know she can teleport to them, typically i hangout near said ally until the mark fades to prevent surprise-deletions, or at least avenge said teammate if it happens. Her dash into stealth is separated into two parts, increased move speed, THEN a short stealth followed by atk speed increase, and at no point during either of these is she immune to CC, so if you can guess where she is, or wait and land an on-target debuff like a Teemo q as soon as you can see her again, you can still mess her up.

Again, not saying you're "crazy", or otherwise trying to devalue your post, but 90% of the time when I see Kai'sa, the last thing she does is stand out. Hope some of the details above help anyone struggling with her and have a good one.

Shigure9/24/2019, 11:06:55 PM2 votes

As a jungler who plays primarily assassins and bruisers no i honestly find her one of the easier adcs to lock down and kill as she doesn't have an instant blink and near permaslow (ezreal),her long range dash requires her hitting you and she has to jump a set distance from you unlike trist (who like ezreal can jump whilst cced if timed right) and lacks hard CC to stop your engage like varus or ashe or again trist.

Every adc has their own safety tools unless your name is kogmaw and her's are just generally easier to deal with then a lot of the slipperier adcs like Ezreal, Trist, Lucian etc.

In saying that i dont think zhonyas should be a core item on her but as this only applies to her full build AP builds, it doesn't show up as much as it used to.

I will also take Kai'Sa over Kalista anyday who for a very long time invalidated melee's because by stacking AS she became nigh untouchable to them.

Cronofuge9/25/2019, 3:17:56 AM2 votes

Annoying maybe. But honestly she's super feast or famine. A behind kai'sa is so worthless you can't even approach fights. I can understand the frustration as a top laner if you suddenly have to fight a fed kai'sa with %health magic damage. I was spam picking her this season but I couldn't get back into diamond until I switched it up to an actually good champion like jhin or cait.

HàrrowR9/26/2019, 4:06:35 PM2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Yordle Skywalker,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=tqjAIg0a,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-09-24T02:38:36.636+0000)

As an adc she outruns u, when you finally somehow (either flashing or whatever thing you do) get to her, she becomes invisible and she is again far from you, if you get to her again, then she WOOP teleports wherever she pleases and,

She doesn't outrun you, if you use a gap closer she has to use her E to escape and even then she's not really going that far since it lasts for less than a second. Her shield lasts for 2 seconds and repositions her something like 500 range away from the target, very much in the perfect distance of every ranged ability, gapcloser, pull, hook, cc and ranged auto in the game.

Ok, I mean, as an adc you are not supposed to have stealth (with increased MS), mobility (short range instant TP) with a shield as well, super long range poke, free damage with Q (she doesn't even need to click on you, just press Q and you eat all that damage)

This literally tilts me so hard i want to explode. Who made you the lead designer of the damn game so you have authority to say what an ADC should and shouldn't have !? Vayne and Twitch are adcs with stealth and they were in the game since bascially season 1? Did you think Vayne and Twitch are new characters? Do you not count them as ADCs?

ADCs Shouldn't have mobility? These are the only ADCs without any mobility, not even a MS buff in their kit KogMaw Varus Ashe that's literally 3 out of like 20. Basically only 15% of the ADCs don't have any mobility in their kit and you're here saying ADCs shouldn't have mobility? Like are you for real? Should tanks not have defensive abilities?

Then you say she has a kit like an assassin she shouldn't be an ADC. So the only reason you're tilted is because you believe she should be classified as an assassin and not an adc? If riot moved her in the collections tab from Marksmen to Assassin all your problems would be solved right?

And the funniest (or the saddest) part of it all is that youre a god damn Master Yi main and you're complaining about Kai Sa!?

Please let me demonstrate your logic

Aren't you tired of Master Yi? Assassins shouldn't have sustained DPS, Assassins shouldn't have a heal and a damage reduction, Assassins shouldn't have true damage, Assassins shouldn't be able to become untargetable.

Now tell me do you believe all of this is true?

Wild Geese9/24/2019, 5:00:39 PM2 votes

I'm not tired of Kai'Sa, I'm tired of Caitlyn who is the most popular popular champion in the game and had been the most popular champion in the game for the better part of the past 10 years.

I suppose You might be more tired of Kai'Sa than Caitlyn if you're Korean Challenger, but otherwise..

ThisName1sDumb10/6/2019, 6:24:16 AM1 votes

I'd rather see Kaisa than Vayne. Both on my team or the enemy.