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A Cool Feature to have When choosing your Role

Cool Pajamas··55 votes·2,085 views

I was talking with one of my friends and he had brought up a good idea. If an individual picks the Fill option when picking his/her role, they have their secondary allows them the option to exclude a role. So, if you don't mind most roles, but you have one that you would rather not play, you get that choice, while still opting in for 4/5 of the available roles. Personally, I would love to see this added to the game, there should be more people picking the fill option and with only 1 role excluded per each user choosing fill, it should decrease queue timers. I'm sure many would like to do fill, if not for that one role that they dislike strongly.

UPDATE:: Many people have made mention that Riot has tried this on other servers and it has gotten negative reviews. This was dated back over a year ago. Currently, I believe support has been seeing a lot more play and has been given plenty of attention since to make it a much more attractive role. I would like to see a test run implemented for a brief amount of time on the NA server to see how it affects our server. If it goes negatively, then yeah, get rid of it, however I think it is worth a try again. Also, how long did the test run on the OCE server?

I see this as an option for people who don't want to support, but also want more variety to the roles they get. (Personally, I'm a support main this season. I use to hate the role, but it has grown on me and is now one of my favorite positions to take)

In addition to what many have mentioned: Although this sounds very contradicting, maybe the support role could be an option you can't object.

50 Comments

WintersHarrowing9 votes

Just another way for the masses to shun support, doesn't really fix anything.

Current system has auto fill in it because a majority of players pick two roles that does NOT include support thus leaving us without enough supports to go around.

Include this system the masses will opt out support giving them 4 potential roles BUT again that does absolutely nothing when the masses are still, say again, opting out of the support role. There is once again not enough supports to go around with this system.

Its a more complicated system that has the same outcome; no one wants to play suport.

Cool Pajamas9 votes

If they don't want support they can pick two roles.... This is for those who want to fill and don't care for all but 1 role. There are plenty of people who will support. Like, plenty of people support now a days.

It Hertz When IP7 votes

I know I'd love if I could queue "Fill, but don't make me jungle".

DuskDaUmbreon12 votes

So...they'll put fill and exclude support.

You have no idea how few people actually willingly play support, do you?

50000000000000004 votes

A lot of people hate top lane, mid lane, jungle, or ADC too. Support was definitely the least favorite role before, but that's been changing.

Cool Pajamas3 votes

It has, I hated supporting up until this season. Now it's my favorite role. Riot has added a lot more to the gameplay the support role and what values they can bring to the team.

xelaker1 votes

peeps like you are the reason support items are gonna keep getting more redonk :/

OrangeHood5 votes

Sounds like a pretty negative review for no reason honestly (fist to the sky, fight the man level rant here). If anything, at worst it's a way for those people that already don't want to play support to get a little variety in their roles. No need to shoot down a perfectly good idea tbh...

WintersHarrowing1 votes

How can people be this blind. If you wanted more variety then choose something else.

This system would not help and supports would still be lacking and someone will get autofilled.

Tønic6 votes

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Just another way for the masses to shun support, doesn't really fix anything.

Current system has auto fill in it because a majority of players pick two roles that does NOT include support thus leaving us without enough supports to go around.

Include this system the masses will opt out support giving them 4 potential roles BUT again that does absolutely nothing when the masses are still, say again, opting out of the support role. There is once again not enough supports to go around with this system.

Its a more complicated system that has the same outcome; no one wants to play suport.

ok so here's the problem... if im playing a game i want to play it however i choose and have fun with it simple. why should i be forced to play a role i absolutely despise for the life of the game and never will enjoy, riot has always encouraged players to play what they want and like enjoy the game however they choose. Everyone has a role they dislike, i know people who hate TOP lane more than any other lane, people who just cant play JG if their life depended on it and never WANT to they should not have to and it goes on for the rest of the lanes in separate cases or scenario. if the people do not want to play support... why should they have to the game is for entertainment purposes and they should enjoy it for its full extent not be stuck in a game for 20-60 minutes doing something they absolutely hate. With that said perhaps that would be a call to riot to stop enforcing a SUPPORT meta .... i remember back in season 1 and 0 that was literally just a strategic option. not a way you where forced to play i miss exploring different ways of winning the game not being stuck to a format of play requiring you to play a part you dont enjoy.

Given the fact that some people despise playing a certain role at any given time how are they expected to bring the best performance possible, this tends to drag down tons of other players they are already bringing a minuscule amount of motivation just because the are forced to do so. Why would anyone want to bring their worst performing role or lane to a team at any given time.

This is a fantastic idea and i think it should really be looked at.

Elikain2 votes

Riot always supported your choice unless your choice is actually hurting everyone on a server wide level. If you're allowed to exclude a role, then everyone is allowed to exclude a role and then we're back to Team Builder issues. One role is naturally going to be filled with less people that play it, leading to becoming a bottleneck in the matchmaking experience.

You think that you're OK with waiting longer for that "perfect" teammate to fill role in your team no one is interested in playing but that's not even true. If you wait for longer periods of time and the role is still vacant, the matchmaker will broaden the search parameters and your team is going to be stuck with teammates that're from lower ELOs and still don't know how to play with you.

Mazariamonti2 votes

As you'll be told for probably the millionth time, support is not everyone's least favorite role. I would rather do anything but jungle, in my case. Some people can't use marksmen, whatever.

WintersHarrowing1 votes

Lol, ok still a trash idea. Its like if this happened: romove 30 base movement speed from all champion then add this; at anytime during the game if the player presses the # key they gain a permanent 30 movment speed for the rest of the game.

You are in denial of you think support isnt the communities lease favorite role, thats why autofull exists. YOU, and especially this forum is not the majority.

Pointless ideas are pointless

"They already tried that on OCE, everyone just excluded Support which made queues much much longer and no one liked it in effect. It's a good idea in theory, but in reality it simply doesn't work."

Mazariamonti2 votes

What people don't seem to understand is that the ones who don't want support already do not pick support. Giving you the option of "all...but' does not mean that if it comes down to it you can't be autofilled into support if that's all that's left. It just expands your options at no real detriment.

Right now we're already working with a "All except" system, it's just - "All except three unless you get desperate" and what we could have is "All except one unless you get really desperate".

WintersHarrowing1 votes

Thats the point right there man. The people who already don't pick support will again not choose support so we end up with NO SUPPORTS. How is this going over your heads? It fixxes nothing

Cool Pajamas2 votes

The point is that the same people who don't want to support are not going to go for support anyways. The people who will use this new fill option will be well over shadowed by the people who use the two pick option. It's hard to say whether it will help or hurt the number of people who go into the support role. The only way it will effect support is by changing the way the small amount of people who get autofilled into the role are put into it. Autofill will still exist for 2 picks. It should be something tested, not pushed away and told it will never be.

WintersHarrowing1 votes

No, no no it is very easy to say what a system like this would do. It would neither hurt nor help as in it would be pointless. Support class suffers, this would benefit it none. If people want more variety they are allowed to play other roles as their primary or secondary. It would be a pointless system, I'm sorry you thought you and your friend had a good idea. On paper it is, but its just not

Cool Pajamas2 votes

It is the least favorite role among the majority of the player base. The idea is not pointless however, if it was, Riot would have never given it a test in the first place. This is a perfectly good idea to make a discussion about. Your only argument is regarding the support role which is a factor that needs to be considered. If someone wants to play 4 roles, but not support, why not let them. Support has been shown a lot more love this season in ways they make the role more entertaining and although it still remains the least desired role, the number of players in the role has definitely increased. This post isn't me saying, "WE NEED THIS!". It's saying, "We should give it a test on the NA server and see how it does with the player base."

This could be a great change, it could be a flop, or it could make no difference. Regardless, it would be interesting to see how implementing it to the NA server would effect.

You're level 26, so I'm sure almost NO ONE wants to support and that is something to definitely consider in this kind of change. So I can see where your mind is.

WintersHarrowing1 votes

And you should really stopthrowing my accounts level around. This is my second account my main which ive had for over 3 years. You trying to discredit me based on my account level shows you have no counter argument other than trying to shut me down. Get out of here man, bad idea is a bad idea. Get over it

General Esdeath 1 votes

Well excuse some people for not being good at the support role...

General Esdeath 1 votes

Are you implying fill is just support?

Leetri7 votes

They already tried that on OCE, everyone just excluded Support which made queues much much longer and no one liked it in effect. It's a good idea in theory, but in reality it simply doesn't work.

DarkRitual6 votes

They did a trial of role exclusion on a server a year or so ago. They got overwhelingly negative feedback about it, and scrapped the idea.

It might be okay sometimes in some regions, but Riot did not feel it was a worthwhile system to include.

notice me Sin pi6 votes

when riot tried that it was "pick 2 roles of ur choice AND 1 role to exclude". The OP is suggesting "pick fill AND 1 role to exclude", in which case if people try to use this system to avoid support, they are also risking getting filled into 2 other roles they do not want.

I think the suggestion would work completely fine in all regions.

DarkRitual1 votes

That might work better. Would still need to be trialed in a region or two to make sure.

DrCyanide2 votes

in which case if people try to use this system to avoid support, they are also risking getting filled into 2 other roles they do not want.

You're assuming there are 2 other roles they do not want. "Gimped income ADC babysitter" is how a lot of people think about Support, and compared to that idea all the other roles are more desirable. Even if you assume some people would block a different role (for me it would be Jungle) the overall system would still be in the same state.

notice me Sin pi2 votes

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You're assuming there are 2 other roles they do not want.

You do have a good point.

Even if you assume some people would block a different role (for me it would be Jungle) the overall system would still be in the same state.

I do agree that overall system would still be in the same state, which is why implementing the OP's suggestion would actually be great QoL change for those who want it without making any negative impact on current matchmaking.

Around999People4 votes

Most people would use that to go against support, but I would like the feature. I can't play mid well for the life of me.

Cool Pajamas3 votes

Yeah, I'm sure there will be a least desired role among the masses, but if that's the case, they already don't pick themselves into that role. With this many people will put themselves in the position of 4 roles, rather than 2. Good input though.

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Difference is (and I could be wrong) if you queue two specific roles and X amount of time goes by without a match found, the client automatically changes you to Fill status.

Cool Pajamas2 votes

Yes, hopefully this option will make it so that happens less for those with two roles picked. Honestly, it is really disappointing going into a game and getting neither role you wanted. It's a sad surprise.

SSShutTheDuckUp1 votes

TBH it wouldn't be THAT bad. I would take a few minutes extra waiting time over no-sightstone-support Lux, flash-into-melee-range-of-Cho Vayne and a never-gank Tryndamere jungler.

Tarquin962 votes

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Most people would use that to go against support, but I would like the feature. I can't play mid well for the life of me.

There is still autofil , but then autofil protection should be disabled on fill and only given when you play supp

Fairyfleur4 votes

I would totally queue fill if it meant not getting jungle

Mazariamonti2 votes

What people don't seem to understand is that the ones who don't want support already do not pick support. Giving you the option of "all...but' does not mean that if it comes down to it you can't be autofilled into support if that's all that's left. It just expands your options at no real detriment.

Right now we're already working with a "All except" system, it's just - "All except three unless you get desperate" and what we could have is "All except one unless you get really desperate".

jjcool992 votes

if i could actually exclude jungle i would fill every game.

Tenth Leper2 votes

I would really enjoy fill except adc. While I enjoy mid, jg, and support, and I can tolerate top, I LOATHE playing marksman in any position. So since people flip out if you queue bot and play something other than marksman I play blind mostly and just yell NOT ADC at the beginning of each select.

LA Losty2 votes

I agree with this, however autofill might still be a must to avoid people from excluding support every time. This idea has been brought up so many times, but i will always upvote it

koshkyra2 votes

I agree with this, i love every role except top and i never fill due to the risk of getting it.

Iręlía2 votes

When I auto-fill, I would exclude ADC, not support.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

This would be cool.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

I'd llove that, I can do fine in any role except adc(unless i'm in the mood for ezreal)

Kanzler1 votes

The whole point of autofill is so someone has to play support. The option to do fill except support will just bring things back to the way they were.

warpenguin5551 votes

They tried this, everybody who went fill was excluding support so it really didnt do anything

Poppystar1 votes

I do this so I could exclude mid honestly. I fill often actually and I'm just grateful mid is a popular role. If I hated jungle and filled, what a nightmare that'd be lol

Otarie531 votes

the sea lions give their entire 100% support to this idea rito needs to look into this

Elikain1 votes

We've already had these discussions about any type of role exclusions. It doesn't solve for anything. It only prolongs queue times and has the potential to autofill a player into the role your team needs that's lower ELO if this happens.

Imagine 5 buckets that sort the elements according to role. Top, Jungle, Mid, Bot, Support. Under any type of exclusions, you can sort elements according to at most 4 roles but exclude one bucket completely. That bucket will always have less elements in it and once all of the elements have been matched, the element that's in shortage is always going to become a bottleneck for the entire queue experience.

That means queueing up for longer because the matchmaker is searching for a role that's missing and is still relatively in your ELO/skill level. If it doesn't find anyone for quite some time, its search parameters widen and then people from lower ELOs will get included. Filling a role with a player who's less skilled than your average team ELO is also bad because you're likely to lose from the position that's the weakest link.

You can't skip autofill because the role distribution isn't equal among the roles. Players will naturally gravitate towards their own favorites and will always have the least favorite ones to play as.

BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votes

I honestly love this idea.

Only one problem that I foresee and is already mentioned is that a lot of people might actually exclude support. Not just support, but any role that's getting the shaft in the patches.

But I believe pro players like Olleh are making Support a more attractive role. So maybe the idea might work now. But always??

But for the enjoyment of the players, this idea would be pleasing. But I actually see queue timers increasing because of my statements above and because you are adding an additional filter to the Fill option. The game now has to limit the games you queue for, increasing queue times.

Karakot1 votes

This has already been attempted before on the PBE and they disliked it then. No offense to the idea but I'm sure they will dislike it again

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