What needs to be done with Flask

Asphalt·Apr 19, 2015·1 votes·1,279 views

If you purchase a Flask you shouldn't be able to purchase any other potions, problem fixed for a huge issue atm... you're welcome Riot, since you cannot balance your own game correctly EVER....

47 Comments

KougaApr 19, 201511 votes

So.

Who did you lose to that started with flask/pots?

PassionlipApr 19, 20155 votes

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So.

Who did you lose to that started with flask/pots?

This.

KougaApr 19, 20153 votes

Don't tell him about before they restricted how many pots you could have at one time.

Used to be Mordekaiser would start with 10+ pots and no other items.

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

buddy i've played since closed beta... i know EVERYTHING about ALL... i've been diamond since season 1

KougaApr 19, 20153 votes

Cool story bro, I've also played it since the beta.

Still not sure why you're complaining about this; and didn't answer the original question of who you lost to that must have prompted this.

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

i didn't lose to anyone

KougaApr 19, 20153 votes

Still, none of this actually does anything to support your original argument. You say you want Flask nerfed, but you haven't provided a reason why this is such a "huge problem". All you've done is say what you want to happen and then made completely irrelevant responses to anything that anyone has said.

Making it so that you can't buy any kind of pots means that Flask starters have nothing to spend their 130 remaining gold, except wards - but in terms of lane sustain/damage it does nothing, and Flask is already an inefficient purpose until you've used it 4-5 times (more, if you're using it just for the health)

It also forces the player to use it even when they only need to sustain health OR mana but not both. If you know that you need to really heavily harass your opponent, you may pick up some extra mana pots, then you can use those instead of the Flask if you are still topped off on health but need to sustain your mana. Same goes for health pots.

Flask is already tilted towards players who want a safe, sustain-based laning phase, but you want to simply weaken that by not allowing them to spend more of their money to that end.

You can't even use Flask and a pot at the same time, so their sustain effects don't overlap. There really is no reason for this change that I can see.

Z StatisticApr 19, 20152 votes

It means you cannot respond to enemies with sustain unless you have sustain of your own. Flask is ideal on champions with really good base stats and base damages, like Pantheon. It takes weak early game champions and helps them survive, but it also takes strong early game champions and lets them just zone out enemies completely with both superior offense and sustain.

Basically, it means the only way for you to compete is to buy a flask of your own. Even buying Doran's shield isn't enough. Doran's blade has a similar problem, but it's pretty much restricted to bot ADCs. You can buy flask on Assassins, tanks, semi-tanks, ranged champions, mages, and any other solo lane champion even if they don't use mana and be able to push out the enemy and gain a huge advantage.

Riot could reduce the hps/mps and increase the duration, increase the charges, increase the cost, and prevent the buying of potions. Flask at level 1 is pretty annoying but doable. Flask at lvl 5 after the person has returned with 5 red sodas is completely ridiculous.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 19, 20153 votes

The moment when everyone knows that high elo spit on us low elos when we wanted certain things to be nerfed like Riven or Katarina, since they claim they have counterplays.

Then this guy claiming to be Diamond complains about something that only effectively exist from level 1 to 6~.

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

nerf riven and katarina? LOL they are 2 of the most useless champions in the game right now.... they need BUFFS (i dont even play them)

BeatzBoyFTWApr 19, 20155 votes

nerf riven and katarina? LOL they are 2 of the most useless champions in the game right now.... they need BUFFS

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/60962554.jpg

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

you obviously dont understand why or why not... the only issue out of EITHER of them.... is the Riven bug that they still havent fixed with quick combo auto attack canceling bug... and when that is fixed... she STILL needs a huge buff, even more than she does now..

LegacyDAPApr 19, 20152 votes

It's hard to believe you're being serious. Flask and pots are made for champs who have a weak early game, and use tons of mana anyways, who actually need these buffs that you're talking about. Kassadin Poppy

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

i agree kass needs huge buffs... poppy no way... she needs a nerf

RatbertApr 20, 20152 votes

Poppy is complained about. It's happening guys, the end times have arrived.

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

no one cares about what lower players complain about.... the game's balances and changes are all based off of diamond and above with the factor of pro play as well....

StoningtonApr 19, 20155 votes

There was a problem with people buying flask and pots? I thought the problem was TP/Smite...

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

no way is TP/Smite a problem... they will just repeat feed non-stop in a real game

StoningtonApr 19, 20157 votes

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no way is TP/Smite a problem... they will just repeat feed non-stop in a real game

As opposed to fake games.

BeatzBoyFTWApr 19, 20154 votes

If you purchase a Flask you shouldn't be able to purchase any other potions, problem fixed for a huge issue atm... you're welcome Riot, since you cannot balance your own game correctly EVER....

TL;DR LET ME FKING POKE YOU TO DEATH, SO STOP HEALING!!

MalzaharAnyLaneApr 19, 20153 votes

If the opponent bought that much sustain, I just all in them and make sure they learn to buy damage or tank first next time.

If the opponent wants to set themselves back 345g to sit back and farm safely, I'm going to take that 345g lead and not take enough damage to let their sustain matter. Eventually that 345g will become a 1k lead unless their jungler is smarter than me.

Z StatisticApr 19, 20151 votes

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If the opponent bought that much sustain, I just all in them and make sure they learn to buy damage or tank first next time.

If the opponent wants to set themselves back 345g to sit back and farm safely, I'm going to take that 345g lead and not take enough damage to let their sustain matter. Eventually that 345g will become a 1k lead unless their jungler is smarter than me.

See, this mentality is why I won my lane virtually 100% of the time last season when I was abusing the shit out of flask. When you get flask, you make sure to hit lvl 2 first and build up a minion advantage. Then you dictate the flow of the fight. If they try to farm, hit them for free damage. If they fight back, they take more from the minions. If a gank is incoming, that's why you have a yellow trinket. If they beat your waveclear, you hang back because they would have beaten your waveclear if you had gotten offensive items anyway. Farm safely with your ranged spells or autos, then try again when the lane is pushing.

Flask is most obscene on ranged champions, the ones that force you to take damage in order to last hit. Even for melee, if they have good ranged spells like Pantheon, it's extremely effective due to the mana regen.

RenailleApr 19, 20153 votes

No thanks, I rather like being able to lane against ranged champs as a melee.

Colgate GatorApr 19, 20153 votes

Well judging from the downvotes, no one really agrees with you.

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

yea im not here to get people to like me...

Ice Weasel XApr 20, 20151 votes

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yea im not here to get people to like me...

But you're trying to convince people to agree with you to "fix" a "major issue" you think exists.

It's not like you can even stack potions and Crystalline Flask effects simultaneously. If you can't handle opponents with that start, focus on farming and don't worry about engaging until you're strong enough to outdamage the piddly sustenance granted by those items.

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

i post it for Riot, not for the children...

PassionlipApr 20, 20152 votes

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i post it for Riot, not for the children...

Yeah, because Riot love to read a complain without any type of context - there is a stick post on top of the section, read it and try again And since you refuse to explain this pointless whine i can downvote without fear.

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

i've never given context on forums, for anything in the past they have fixed like bugs etc... i give them context when they contact me personally...

Sinister SnailApr 20, 20151 votes

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i've never given context on forums, for anything in the past they have fixed like bugs etc... i give them context when they contact me personally...

Because your dad works for riot, right?

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

no, im kind of a big deal tho, was in LCS 2x as well

SevenStrokeRollApr 20, 20151 votes

im kind of a big deal tho

sigh

Ice Weasel XApr 20, 20151 votes

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i post it for Riot, not for the children...

Except they aren't going to take you seriously because you haven't convinced anyone that it's a "major issue." If only an outlier in the playerbase thinks something is a problem, it isn't a major issue. It's a non-issue.

KrinuApr 19, 20152 votes

I think somebody's just super salty about not being able to poke somebody to death.

Protip from a scrub, OP: Sustain counters poke. It has to, otherwise sustain is useless... and this isn't the league of poke.

Ice Weasel XApr 19, 20151 votes

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If you purchase a Flask you shouldn't be able to purchase any other potions, problem fixed for a huge issue atm... you're welcome Riot, since you cannot balance your own game correctly EVER....

What's the huge issue?

Also, being able to override a previous elixir with another one is useful sometimes. I had a game where I still had an Elixir of Sorcery active, but saw an opening with a wave of minions heading toward the enemy base. I swapped to Elixir of Ruin and sped those minions up to take a turret and inhibitor while most of the enemy team was dead.

AsphaltApr 19, 20151 votes

....what you said has nothing to do with this topic.... im not talking about elixirs... im talking about being able to buy Flask and also buy other potions... it needs to be stopped, they need to disable potion buying if you have a flask.. PERIOD

Ice Weasel XApr 19, 20154 votes

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....what you said has nothing to do with this topic.... im not talking about elixirs... im talking about being able to buy Flask and also buy other potions... it needs to be stopped, they need to disable potion buying if you have a flask.. PERIOD

Oh, the Crystalline Flask? The Elixirs also have descriptions stating that only one "flask" may be active at a time.

I don't see a problem with having a Crystalline Flask and potions. Gangplank even has that as a recommended start.

AkeydelApr 19, 20151 votes

And its good on him, because he's got the early tankiness and damage to back up the sustain flask gives. With ONLY flask before first back, though, he starts to lose out on trades, esp. cause of the ~100 unspent gold from level 1. (true for other flask-starting champions)

JefftiffyApr 19, 20153 votes

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....what you said has nothing to do with this topic.... im not talking about elixirs... im talking about being able to buy Flask and also buy other potions... it needs to be stopped, they need to disable potion buying if you have a flask.. PERIOD

No. Disabling buying of potions no. It's a 345 gold sink that only gives sustain is isn't very useful outside of early game. Maybe a lower potion cap such as 3 max of each with it, but in no way should it stop the buying of potions.

Z StatisticApr 19, 20151 votes

Flask is probably the best start for any melee and even some ranged in the game.

PassionlipApr 19, 20151 votes

I still don't get why that's a problem. Care to explain a bit? I got the 'either is too much'... but WHY?

AsphaltApr 20, 20151 votes

see if you dont know the reason... im not going to waste my time explaining... this is why i've not been explaining, so you should get with the times and realize urself

Z StatisticApr 19, 20151 votes

They need to build flask with better lvl 1 then because flask+3 at lvl 1 isn't too overbearing. It's just when they come back with 5 red sodas

femméApr 19, 20151 votes

okay i've read all the comments so far but please can you tell me why you think flask needs a nerf, all you've said is that you shouldn't be able to start pots, why? are you complaining about lvl 1 camps allowing you to buy flask 5 health pots 2 mana pots and a ward? if so then get with the meta dude, But really, can you explain why you think you shouldn't be allowed to start pots AND flask?

Colgate GatorApr 19, 20151 votes