So Yorick's W got reverted to it's original casting mechanic...

AuraCreed·Nov 22, 2016·32 votes·2,299 views

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Can we join the W revert club?

25 Comments

Hrd2H1tNov 22, 201620 votes

Can we please just revert Taliyah to 6.11

They ruined the perfect pizza because vegans were complaining that it had pepperoni on it

PennsNov 22, 201610 votes

That was when she walked up at level 1, used Q on the caster minions and cleared them all right? Id rather not have that back.. Unless we revert Fizz to 6.11 as well then Im in lol

Hrd2H1tNov 22, 20164 votes

The whole point was that her waveclear would be insane yet she would be subpar at dueling, thus she would only do well by roaming.

inplaneNov 23, 20161 votes

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The whole point was that her waveclear would be insane yet she would be subpar at dueling, thus she would only do well by roaming.

If that's the case, then TwistedFate would basically be a shittier version of Taliyah . That's something Riot did not want to happen since is the original "Clear and Bye-bye" roam mage, hence why her 50% bonus damage was removed. Taliyah outclassed in almost every way.

On topic, I hope they fix that W soon. Still clunky as ever and could definitely feel better with a simple change.

Rinker DinkerNov 23, 20162 votes

I wasnt aware taliyah had a global reveal and a point and click stun, along with infinite mana sustain and a global teleport.

inplaneNov 23, 20161 votes

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I wasnt aware taliyah had a global reveal and a point and click stun, along with infinite mana sustain and a global teleport.

She did have unrivaled Shove & Roam that eventually became downright unfair. Spray her Q all over the mage minions at level 1 and the enemy laner couldn't do a thing about it. She can create choke points while using a semi-global traveling ult and it's about the same range as TwistedFate 's ult during levels 6-11. The time period when roaming actually matters. She also has an AOE knockup and near permaslow once she obtains item 3116 . Also, the enemy cannot predict where she will land once she uses her ult, unlike who has a giant marker to show his exact position.

AuraCreedNov 22, 20161 votes

They didn't do the Q change until well after the W vector change if my memory serves me right.

XeroKimoNov 23, 20161 votes

Nope I picked her up when they buffed her Q worked ground from 180 -> 140 secs, which I learned her strengths then, they added the 50% bonus dmg shortly after, the vector changes was added much later which I hated.

In all honesty when I picked her up, I thought she was pretty strong, her problems was farming to get sufficient items to deal dmg, she couldn't pressure people to farm easier and her mana costs were high if you wanted to pressure your opponents your E + W, if she wanted to farm she'd be sacrificing trading ability to farm

The buffs to the minion dmg helped her a lot in order to be able to farm and pressure your opponent, but it was too big of a buff now that I looked back, I'm thankful they pulled it back, but now we're almost at the same state as before, if they did a bonus dmg scaling/ ability level I think that would be a fine enough buff to bring her back

Photos of GhostsNov 22, 20161 votes

*peperoni

SpookyNeedleNov 23, 20162 votes

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Can we please just revert Taliyah to 6.11

They ruined the perfect pizza because vegans were complaining that it had pepperoni on it

Shit I love that analogy

Akali is SO HOTNov 22, 201615 votes

same Akali

NightmareAmazoXNov 22, 20165 votes

[zombie-brand-clap]

PennsNov 22, 20163 votes

same Fizz

Selrick002Nov 22, 20163 votes

[zombie-nunu-tears]

Kaisa is HotNov 22, 20161 votes

Same Kalista , o wait that's 5.12 lel silly me T-T srsly tho.

EnlegacyNov 22, 20162 votes

Next patch has some buffs for Kalista to make you feel better.

My Waifu VanillaNov 22, 20162 votes

It doesn't change the fact Kalista is terrible with crit and is pretty much forced to buy it since every other item she bought has been gutted along with her. The Fervor changes also did not help her in the slightest since she still only gets 90% of the bonus AD on autos and lost ALL the on-hit compared to the measly bonus AD she hardly utilizes.

SwarovskoNov 22, 20161 votes

They should revert Taliyah to when she could actually clear waves and then roam, which is what she was supposed to do, but I guess Riot will keep Taliyah meh tier because they're too scared she can be good aka played in lcs.

Wolfram OxfordNov 22, 20161 votes

Does Fiddle still have this problem for his ult? I believe that the few times I have played him he just casts at max range instead of walking into range.

SSJTribeNov 22, 20162 votes

Fiddle's ult just goes wherever you cast it, like a Lux E.

Darkslayer85Nov 22, 20161 votes

I played a bit of Taliyah and the new W is still good without vector cast. If you have about 0.5 second delay between casting of course you're gonna fail. You need to cast both instances a lot faster now in reactive situations. Feels more fun now.

AuraCreedNov 22, 20161 votes

Genuine response - thank you for the input.

Personally I don't like how it feels like you're FORCED to land the W + E combo all the time - I liked using E to threaten dash champions like a control mage and W + E whenever I could manage. Doesn't help that the combo does less damage then what other Control mages - specifically Disruptors - are capable of though with less effort. ( If you're wondering where I got that from it's this. ) )

The reason I don't like the W vector cast is for a few reasons:

No longer has a circle indicator
You no longer have that split second ability to realize you messed up and send them in another direction
You can't just knock them straight up in the air anymore
It requires an extra click to get to work which I will admit gets better with practice but it made it feel all the more clunky IMO.

And for the E again - yeah it can still some what threaten dash champions but not usually the ones you'd be fighting mid-lane - it mostly threatens ADCs.

BreakuNov 22, 20161 votes

Use smartcast. It's just press W and drag the mouse~

Darkslayer85Nov 23, 20161 votes

For damage, try maxing E instead of Q. You'll see better results.

Unstoppable MonkNov 22, 20161 votes

Talking about Yorick but making a Taliyah out of it? Mmmm.

Personally, I think you should settle for having W being converted into an ammo system and the primary ability, so you can just bounce people between Ws for shits and giggles.