Change Senna Spell Order? (W - E)

CheesyNeko·Nov 2, 2019·7 votes·6,990 views

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I've been playing Senna on the PBE for a while now and I keep pressing W trying cast the shroud and E for the stun I just checked this reddit link that includes all the skillshots in the game and there's a really short amount of them that are casted with W, which would explain my confusion. Of course that I could just change the key bindings but wouldn't it be great if this was an oficial thing? Because I really think the shroud is almost the same as W and the stun could be like or E

12 Comments

KazekibaNov 2, 20193 votes

Absolutely agree, im glad to see I'm not entirely crazy

LordKentravyonNov 3, 20192 votes

No _Absolutely not _

The problem here is you are comparing her to all champions and not all marksmen in a vacuum. She is a marksmen support and her abilities are currently in line with other marksmen as they should be.

The thing is most marksmen have their "Utility" ability on their E. Now I am using utility as a bit of a broad term her, but in general we see it range from mobility (such as Ezreal Lucian Kaisa ) to CC Jinx Jhin Vayne ) to more unique things Ashe Sivir

Marksmen with utility (movement, CC other...) on E Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Graves Jhin Jinx Kaisa KogMaw Kindred MissFortune Lucian Sivir Varus Quinn Vayne Xayah Azir Kennen Jayce

Of the 25 champions riot designates as a "Marksmen" I have identified 21 as having followed this trend. Please note: I didn't really like including the last 3 and think of it more as 18/22 but TECHNICALLY they are marksmen and they do follow the trend

Also note, I am aware there is some overlap such as KogMaw Draven where his E is a long range ability as well as CC, and by this trend his W would fit better.

Now lets look at those who don't fit this "E = Utility" trend. Kalista Damage ability with specific interactions with her core mechanic (spear stacking) Teemo On hit effect, core to his kit Tristana Damaging ability Twitch Damage ability with specific interactions with her core mechanic (poison detonation)

Now what do we notice in common with these 4? 3/4 Tristana Teemo Twitch Are from the original roster. And the fourth, Kalista has the E function almost identically to Twitch . Build up stacks, E to detonate So really these are mainly outliers due to age, as the the past several years, the trend Riot has adhered to has been very consistent. We can also note, the two I identified of technically being in the "utility e "

Furthermore, although not as prevalent we have a long established precedent of long range marksmen abilities on W

Marksmen with range damaging ability on W Ashe Ezreal Graves Jhin Jinx Kaisa Lucian Twitch

I would also like to bring further emphasis to Jhin Jinx Kaisa Who are probably the marksmen with abilities that are closest to Senna's (a very long range ability, that applies some kind of effect)

Another trend I noticed doing this, is often ADC steroids are on W which sometimes overrules other trends. Xayah Draven KogMaw Corki (kind of) Ezreal (arguably) Jayce Vayne are some quick examples of that

Poppy WebMDNov 3, 20191 votes

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No _Absolutely not _

The problem here is you are comparing her to all champions and not all marksmen in a vacuum. She is a marksmen support and her abilities are currently in line with other marksmen as they should be.

The thing is most marksmen have their "Utility" ability on their E. Now I am using utility as a bit of a broad term her, but in general we see it range from mobility (such as ) to CC ) to more unique things

Marksmen with utility (movement, CC other...) on E

Of the 25 champions riot designates as a "Marksmen" I have identified 21 as having followed this trend. Please note: I didn't really like including the last 3 and think of it more as 18/22 but TECHNICALLY they are marksmen and they do follow the trend

Also note, I am aware there is some overlap such as where his E is a long range ability as well as CC, and by this trend his W would fit better.

Now lets look at those who don't fit this "E = Utility" trend. Damage ability with specific interactions with her core mechanic (spear stacking) On hit effect, core to his kit Damaging ability Damage ability with specific interactions with her core mechanic (poison detonation)

Now what do we notice in common with these 4? 3/4 Are from the original roster. And the fourth, has the E function almost identically to . Build up stacks, E to detonate So really these are mainly outliers due to age, as the the past several years, the trend Riot has adhered to has been very consistent. We can also note, the two I identified of technically being in the "utility e "

Furthermore, although not as prevalent we have a long established precedent of long range marksmen abilities on W

Marksmen with range damaging ability on W

I would also like to bring further emphasis to Who are probably the marksmen with abilities that are closest to Senna's (a very long range ability, that applies some kind of effect)

Another trend I noticed doing this, is often ADC steroids are on W which sometimes overrules other trends. (kind of) (arguably) are some quick examples of that

first and foremost she is a support, and TRADITIONALLY W is for utility, q and e are for CC / Damage. Can't compare her to marksman layout abilities when yes she is a marksman, she still works differently, and people are just more used to w for that thing.

LordKentravyonNov 3, 20191 votes

Support is a role Marksman is a class

She is a marksman who fulfills the support role and should adhere to marksman trends. Just as wardens, catchers and enchanters will follow Their design trends regardless of whether or not they share the same role

CheesyNekoNov 3, 20191 votes

So Missfortune's slow and Jinx traps can be on E but Senna's root can't?

LordKentravyonNov 3, 20191 votes

Bud Jinx is one of the absolute worst examples you could have picked. As stated above.

Both Jinx and Senna, HAVE A LONG RANGE SKILL SHOT WITH CC (soft vs HARD) as their W, and AN ADDITIONAL UTILITY ABILITY as their E

Senna's W is long range damage with utility. Senna's E is pure utility. Senna's E is in the utility slot.

This really isn't complicated.

TonyTonyMordecaiNov 3, 20192 votes

Her W is a (delayed) root, not a stun.

EATARINov 2, 20191 votes

This would be a really nice change. Upholding tradition in this case would be a great convenience.

LordKentravyonNov 3, 20191 votes

Except this is not upholding tradition. She is a marksmen support, and her ability scheme relative to other marksmen is in-line. Please view my longer post above.

EATARINov 3, 20192 votes

I understand that. I was referring to upholding the tradition of having skill shots on E and buffs on W.

LordKentravyonNov 3, 20191 votes

But for marksmen as a class, the tradition is to have skill shots on W and utility on E