Lissandra a upgraded version of Veigar?

Sir Floofington·Mar 10, 2015·3 votes·461 views

Isn't Lissandra a better Veigar after Veigars nerfs? Her Q is similar to Veigars but she does offer a escape and 2 reliable stuns. Not sure why Veigar would get nerfed if Rioters didn't like his stun when Lissandra offers 2 stuns,her ultimate being aoe as well. I played a game against a Lissandra as Veigar and there was literally nothing I can do as she would R and then combo me down before I can even get my ult off. Just a thought on why she's left untouched while Veigar took a very heavy nerf.

8 Comments

Romans VI XXIIIMar 10, 20151 votes

cause liss gets those LCSBIGPLAYS and vieg does not. FACT.

bad arcade kittyMar 10, 20151 votes

veigar costs 1350ip, liss costs 6300, therefore liss is 6 times better

MrPerson10Mar 10, 20151 votes

Veigar is an immobile mage with insane scaling into the late-game, punishes you for shitty positioning.

Lissandra forces shitty positioning or just generally makes a damn good meatshield and engage, who's also very capable of deleting your squishies or reserving CC for an enemy assassin Zed Katarina Akali

ThryaleMar 10, 20151 votes

let's be reasonable tho, the time veig is supposed to be his strongest (40+ min) is also the time where most smart teams all have banshee's and a GA, meaning even with a void staff, veig will only be doing 50% dmg to his intended targets. 50% of 1.8k is only 900 dmg, and even low hp adc's will have at least 2k-2.4k hp by then.

MrPerson10Mar 10, 20151 votes

Actually an ADC averages 1800-1900HP @ lvl 18, and at no point are they going to be building Banshee's veil.

your objective isn't to be obliterating the frontline, but rather assaulting the backline that has almost no MR.

ThryaleMar 10, 20152 votes

but as an immobile mage, you aren't getting to the back line unless the enemy is stupid or the front line is dead. Also, if you think the ADC's in a 50+ min game are not gonna be getting both a banshees and a GA, either your adc is extremely competent in his positioning or he's just plain stupid. Once games hit the 50+ min mark, it's not about how much dmg you can deal, but who dies/screws up first as both teams will be at full build. Having a full set of dmg items means nothing if you don't live long enough to use them and with all the dive heavy junglers out there like vi and such that just love to ult the back line, you'd be a fool not to carry some kind of defensive items to discourage initiation on yourself.

MrPerson10Mar 10, 20151 votes

The defensives of your carries are exactly this: your Front line. No front line, no defense - that's the style of play that you literally have to conform to and should be ABLE to itemize as such. Do you get zero defensive items? No, you always have one as your last or second last completed item, even on assassins. Would you grab two general defensives, specifically on an AD carry? Very rarely. You might buy a GA and a QSS at the very most, though it simply isn't logical to go for two defensive items on a carry in a mass majority of situations. Hell, in most situations you're buying a utility defensive like QSS/mercurial active and selling your boots for a Zephyr by that point for the tenacity.

If you position correctly, you should almost never get hit by Veigar's ult, unless you get stupidly greedy and try to chase him.

VoidacMar 10, 20151 votes

Because Lissandra didn't scale as hard as Veigar. She also has problems being a squish with her playstyle. She does not offer 2 stuns, she has an ulti single-target stun and a close range AoE root. Veigar's Q only hits 2 targets, Lissandra's is an AoE. Both have very different jobs.