Poacher's knife removal

Powershot206·Oct 25, 2015·6 votes·1,605 views

Please remove this useless enchantment to the jungle item and save bronze through gold players from the annoyance of having people buy it. absolutely the worst thing to see when playing solo q or normal's.

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Chuck CharlesOct 25, 20153 votes

they have already said they are removing it in preseason

ShénzhìOct 25, 20152 votes

I would prefer they switched Machete into a Trinket item and then focus on one lot of 'main items'. A trinket item that only has utility upgrades so that the 'main items' are brought back to junglers.

Think about it. It makes perfect sense and would make item redevelopment and balance changes so much fkin easier.

"But I like Devourer!" -- The majority of this item of this year has been heavily criticized. It'd be a welcome removal. Besides, they may have plans for updating Guinsoo's Rageblade (recent PBE notes prompt us) which may easily replace a Devourer removal.
"Don't nerf my jungle!" -- It won't be. You'll progress with 'main items' more or less like all seasons before Season 5, right?
"So Poacher's upgrade has a chance to stay?" -- Maybe. Why not? Give it another Season with this 'jungler's trinket' idea. It could be that the 'jungler's trinket' uses Poacher's buff as well as others' all together.
_"Did we ever need Poacher's Knife?" -- _ If you've not noticed, it's the Kit that makes the counter-jungler and not Season 5's Poacher's Knife. [Kit > Items]
"Laners stay lane; Junglers stay jungle." -- This was part of Season 5's new Machete. This will remain to be the same with Smite being the pre-requisite for this jungler trinket.
"Was segregating jungle items a mistake?" -- I believe it's a fucking huge failure.

The Yetii RiderOct 25, 20152 votes

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I would prefer they switched Machete into a Trinket item and then focus on one lot of 'main items'. A trinket item that only has utility upgrades so that the 'main items' are brought back to junglers.

Think about it. It makes perfect sense and would make item redevelopment and balance changes so much fkin easier.

"But I like Devourer!" -- The majority of this item of this year has been heavily criticized. It'd be a welcome removal. Besides, they may have plans for updating Guinsoo's Rageblade (recent PBE notes prompt us) which may easily replace a Devourer removal.

"Don't nerf my jungle!" -- It won't be. You'll progress with 'main items' more or less like all seasons before Season 5, right?

"So Poacher's upgrade has a chance to stay?" -- Maybe. Why not? Give it another Season with this 'jungler's trinket' idea. It could be that the 'jungler's trinket' uses Poacher's buff as well as others' all together.

_"Did we ever need Poacher's Knife?" -- _ If you've not noticed, it's the Kit that makes the counter-jungler and not Season 5's Poacher's Knife. [Kit > Items]

"Laners stay lane; Junglers stay jungle." -- This was part of Season 5's new Machete. This will remain to be the same with Smite being the pre-requisite for this jungler trinket.

"Was segregating jungle items a mistake?" -- I believe it's a fucking huge failure.

Having the jungle item be a trinket item when it gives gold is a terrible idea. In this game, you spend gold to make gold. Having machete just give free gold would be unbalanced, and if it doesn't take up an item slot it may just cause more smites in lane because it's free gold vs not free gold.

"Well, we could just put the gold back into the jungle monsters" - The reason it was put on machete in the first place was to ensure that laners didn't take camps.

"Laners still take camps" - Yes, but they took way more when it gave them more gold instead of just XP.

Also, you need to realize that these items that Riot released, the enchants, were incredibly gold efficient specifically because of how little gold champs got in the early game.

If you have the machete trinket and your champion rushes a Brutalizer to get the same effect that Warrior does now, you will complete it much earlier (which is a balance problem, no more level 3 ganks please) and also now you have nothing to build it into (If we remove the Warrior enchant and Yomuu's becomes a common replacement item on Vi, Lee Sin and Jarvan it will become an issue because of the active).

ShénzhìOct 25, 20151 votes

(c o n c e p t)

'Jungler Trinket' - Cost: 400 REQUIRES SMITE

Gold Upgrade ## - Cost: $$$

Utility Upgrade #1 - Cost: Free

Utility Upgrade #2 - Cost: Free

Utility Upgrade #3 - Cost: Free

I wouldn't expect 'jungler trinket' to put gold back into monsters. 'Jungler trinket' is a notion to stop item segregation as part of global item redevelopment, which I hope they're thinking about for next season starting with Marksman Update. 'Jungler trinket' being as I've suggested does not presume to be a free item. You make it clear what would happen if it was with current Machete stats.

I am very critical about this game after a year of playing it. This may influence this radical idea as I identify core games systems being the problems that are never changed. All that's changed is the surface and still they try to rework things. But regardless, I see this idea working in theory and qualifying after testing and tweaks. I say this without arrogance :p

TheAzebanOct 25, 20151 votes

Kindred is a boss with this item. Some champions other than the main junglers you see used over and over can use this item and excel. It is all about playstyle. If you can counter jungle well and that fits your playstyle, you can easily climb by using this item.

RalanrOct 25, 20151 votes

I expected Kindred to be really good with this item. Though I cannot say I've ever seen it in play.

Kitten of EvilOct 25, 20151 votes

But after you get your first 6 stacks as Kindred, counterjungling isn't as important. That's why I've never gotten it on them.

71389310_DELOct 25, 20151 votes

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Please remove this useless enchantment to the jungle item and save bronze through gold players from the annoyance of having people buy it. absolutely the worst thing to see when playing solo q or normal's.

I recall a Red saying the item was being removed although I personally wish it would be reworked.

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they have already said they are removing it in preseason

It seems this person recalled the same thing.

HentRexOct 25, 20151 votes

There was another thread on this topic. Instead of flat out removal poachers was turned into an enchantment for all jungle items, or the only other idea that had any support, Added to item 3713 since ranger's is all for speeding up a control jungler's clear time, added poacher's to it would incentivize counter-jungling.

Subject 5Oct 25, 20151 votes

It is one of the few items to actually counter Yi or Shyvana from getting sated when they are 0/8 and then coming back from that to multiple penta kills. I would rather have an option than remove it, you just probably aren't aware of how to use it correctly in the correct situation.