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Thewannabegamer·9/17/2017, 2:48:23 AM·60 votes·2,316 views

Running actual teamcomps that work together instead of playing . Every time i see an adc hate thread i decide to take a little stroll through people's match history to see if the claim of adc's being bullshit is as wild as they say. That even if top mid and jg stomp the rest of the map if the enemy jinx just happens to be 1/12 instead of 0/12 the game is over. And 60% of the time i run across people playing dumb ass team comps like this into a well rounded comp with engage and a front line and a clear way to play teamfights instead of just "rolling over the enemy team with a gold lead". So maybe the issue isn't just adc's and censor even though they are undeniably strong right now but that the average NA player has no idea how to draft or play around adc's. I mean god forbid they've only been around for the entire existence of the game.

Adc's kill tanks, that's just a part of their job, and after all the mid lane nerfs mages never really scare me after 1 MR item. So of course if you have a team with no tanks and the enemy team has a few of them and their adc is ahead of yours, you're going to lose because tanks are freaky strong right now and the only way your going to be able to kill them is with an adc and your not going to be able to kill their adc without killing them if they have half a brain.

TLDR; The boards are a dumb place where people would rather bitch about how they lost and how unfair that is then think about why they lost and what they can take away from it.

EDIT: Just because a team comp can work doesn't make it optimal or efficient.

47 Comments

Athenes Lulu9/17/2017, 4:17:18 AM21 votes

Oh no, you just said that ADCs are not the only culprits of the current meta, as well as the truth! Someone burn this witch!!!!!!!!!!

Also, tanks have long been harder to fuck up, won't screw up team comps, and are more reliable for a long time.

It Hertz When IP9/17/2017, 3:54:41 AM17 votes

I think you lost everyone at "Running actual teamcomps". No one likes to change their champion choice to fit the team. God forbid you have an OTP on your team, or worse, more than one.

Niaphim9/17/2017, 3:56:53 AM9 votes

I mean, you've literally just said it yourself. Let me quote your very post:

Adc's kill tanks, that's just a part of their job, and after all the mid lane nerfs mages never really scare me after 1 MR item. So of course if you have a team with no tanks and the enemy team has a few of them and their adc is ahead of yours, you're going to lose because tanks are freaky strong right now and the only way your going to be able to kill them is with an adc and your not going to be able to kill their adc without killing them if they have half a brain.

THIS is what people are complaining about - that adcs have become THE damage dealer, MR shuts down most mages, so all other damage dealers except adcs are almost irrelevant at this point. It is basically adcs buffed by supports vs tanks and other adcs. Also, your advice

how to draft or play around adc's

again reveals the same issue: those who complain are simply tired of this game being centered around the adc overlords.

PS BTW, your example of teamcomp is perfectly viable and is actually pretty good, it just requires some flexibility in build paths. Probably won't work in bronze-silver though.

HonestJohnTheCon9/17/2017, 2:54:51 AM9 votes

Same. I wish people would stop complaining about the meta and adapt instead. It's the meta, it's going to change throughout time (very soon in fact, preseason's gonna nuke the meta hard)

Sun Wu Ryuumoku9/17/2017, 1:06:33 PM3 votes

Seems like u don't understand how the game work, team comp don't have anything to do most of time.... All comp have some strengh to play around.

i can say for sure from my last lose games : Bot is to impactful.

Blåbæret9/17/2017, 10:25:39 AM3 votes

ADCs don't just kill tanks: they kill everyone and their mother. They wipe out squishies in 2-3 autos. Sounds balanced to you amirite? Downvoted and moving on. Gta love ADC mains making threads.

Brain Errör 4049/17/2017, 1:23:33 PM2 votes

What's wrong with having kog/lulu bot lane? Riven is a flex pick and can actually run perfectly into a juggermaw comp. Biggest issue there is Lee (I find that champ completely useless) and lack of AP/wave clear mid lane.

DuskDaUmbreon9/17/2017, 2:40:48 PM2 votes

Whenever nobody picks a tank, I mentally prepare myself to surrender at 15. 95% of comps without a tank are unwinnable. They only work if you have a team designed around split-pushing (the only other option outside of an enemy throw), and most champions that can split-push are juggernauts and tanks.

WoonStruck9/17/2017, 4:15:57 PM2 votes

To be fair, kog+lulu is enough of a comp already.

Lee is fine if he isn't stupid and builds full damage. item 3071 item 3748 item 3742 item 3065 is enough to make him relevant even late game.

Riven and Zed are both fine as picks top/mid, even with Lee Sin.

In fact, Lee or Riven can just engage and get a 3-5 man knock-up with lulu ult, during which kog has already melted one or more people.

Don't talk about comps if you can't analyze what they do. The flanking power of that team is insane, and they have tons of disengage.

Melledoneus9/17/2017, 5:32:38 PM2 votes

Not to mention people will go bat-shit crazy ham in bot lane and most likely feed if you don't queue there, but when you play bot lane people pick stupid things like Teemo top and Vayne top into a team of assassins and burst mages.

Ranked is such a hassle and, compared to three months ago (before I went on vacation), people have gotten worse and worse attitudes because they think they are entitled to anything within their selfish interests.

LXII9/17/2017, 6:13:30 PM2 votes

Hmm pick a nice support tank and hope to god my ADC is better than theirs or pick a carry champ and try to get the job done myself? That's a tough choice!

Real talk though, we shouldn't have to draft our entire comp around one role. It's a little ridiculous that the only answer is "draft 4 champs that can't be 2 shot by Twitch, peel and CC for your ADC and hope to god they actually focus the right targets". Hell most of the time I'm lucky if the ADC on my team even fights when people are tanking for them. They usually just see the tank go in, panic, and run away.

LightningShado9/17/2017, 8:06:33 PM2 votes

Thank you. My posts didn't get popular. Yours did. I wanted everyone to know these things and now they do, so thank you.

Floupi9/17/2017, 9:47:24 PM1 votes

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Vashtrall9/17/2017, 1:15:50 PM1 votes

I have been maining Lulu for months and I will keep doing it, REGARDLESS of Ardent buffs or nerfs.

SweedishGunner9/17/2017, 1:17:23 PM1 votes

Thing is you can decide drafts though. If you ask people to play tanks or draft CC you usual just get told to 'kys' or 'f off' in the pre-game lobby.

Arakadia9/17/2017, 6:17:01 AM1 votes

I thought you were going to say Bowie.

ChuShoe9/18/2017, 3:52:57 AM1 votes

what? you're telling me that thought and basic connections of two brain synapses goes into champ select? That's too much to ask for.

HalcyonDweller9/18/2017, 6:59:36 PM1 votes

People are right to complain that the team with the winning bottom lane wins the game most of the time... and here's why:

If your ADC is starved for gold they can't get the item spikes needed to deal with the enemy front line. Meanwhile the enemy ADC has no trouble shredding your front line so that their team can then wreck your backline.

Tanks are too strong for a weak ADC player to deal with, meanwhile ADCs are much stronger with their items so that if they can put their lane opponent behind, then the lane opponent won't be able to do their job even a tiny bit later in the game.