Annie Flash Tibbers Stun

RuGu·Feb 17, 2015·1 votes·3,633 views

What exactly is the counter play to that?

41 Comments

EndlessSorcererFeb 17, 201511 votes

Being able to predict one of the most basic combos in the game?

Old Man TeetoFeb 17, 20151 votes

I guess the LCS teams are all bad at predicting then.

Faith BreakerFeb 17, 20153 votes

You purchase a Banshee's Veil.

BeatzBoyFTWFeb 17, 20153 votes

Always try to avoid/stay away from Annie while she has that white swirly thingy around her? It's the only best approach, unless you build item 3102 or you're Gangplank

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20153 votes

banshee's veil? QSS? Flash's CD? not letting the obvious flash stun annie is going to do reach you?

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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banshee's veil? QSS? Flash's CD? not letting the obvious flash stun annie is going to do reach you?

You can't flash once hit with Tibbers. Its really hard to match annies flash quick enough.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20151 votes

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You can't flash once hit with Tibbers. Its really hard to match annies flash quick enough.

i meant using her lack of flash against her, She can't flash ult you every time she has her ult available. Punish her for not having flash

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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i meant using her lack of flash against her, She can't flash ult you every time she has her ult available. Punish her for not having flash

Yes, but later in the game she only needs it ONE time to end / make the difference.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Yes, but later in the game she only needs it ONE time to end / make the difference.

then you buy a goddamn Banshee's Veil or QSS in the late game, or have your support buy Mikael's (or whaveter is spelled). Is it really that hard to buy an item and have her waste her entire engage for the next 4+ mins?

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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then you buy a goddamn Banshee's Veil or QSS in the late game, or have your support buy Mikael's (or whaveter is spelled). Is it really that hard to buy an item and have her waste her entire engage for the next 4+ mins?

Heaven forbid the other team have any type of meaningful poke that can take down your BV.

Like I said, Talon got silenced removed for this reason, Veigar gets nerfed for the same reason. Annie gets a free pass.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Heaven forbid the other team have any type of meaningful poke that can take down your BV.

Like I said, Talon got silenced removed for this reason, Veigar gets nerfed for the same reason. Annie gets a free pass.

and i care because... GET A DAMN BANSHEE'S, QSS, MIKAEL's, CLEANSE AND STOP WHINING LIKE A BABY!

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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and i care because... GET A DAMN BANSHEE'S, QSS, MIKAEL's, CLEANSE AND STOP WHINING LIKE A BABY!

such wisdom. much learned. wow.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20151 votes

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such wisdom. much learned. wow.

says the one crying even though you have been told the many counterplays Annie's Flash+Ult has and your excuse "she only needs to hit it once so it's invalid" guess what? THAT'S HOW ALMOST EVERY SINGLE FLASH ULT ENGAGE WORKS!

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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says the one crying even though you have been told the many counterplays Annie's Flash+Ult has and your excuse "she only needs to hit it once so it's invalid" guess what? THAT'S HOW ALMOST EVERY SINGLE FLASH ULT ENGAGE WORKS!

So far the counter play is (which isn't actually counter play so much as it is Itemization) is to build a banshee's veil.

Any smart annie will just wait for some form of poke to drop it before she engages.

Mikael's is reliant on the support actually buying / landing it (little bit out of my control as ADC) and even if they do, the damage is already done.

Having my own flash up seems to be the best option provided that I can manage to flash the EXACT second Annie flashes.

Even if she does flash in, she doesn't really need to put herself in danger, just in range of one of the carries.

I suppose you could run Cleanse, but that seems like a pretty significant disadvantage in lane just to remove the stun while still getting hit with the damage burst anyway.

can you name another 1.75 AOE stun with .8 AP scaling? Leona comes close. but she has a cast delay. Cass is close but hers has .5 scaling and conditional upon which direction the enemy is facing (a form of counterplay).

You can't even tell me that you just need to watch for the swirls because a good annie will pop shield (granting her 4 stacks) and then ult or worse flash ult.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 17, 20151 votes

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So far the counter play is (which isn't actually counter play so much as it is Itemization) is to build a banshee's veil.

Any smart annie will just wait for some form of poke to drop it before she engages.

Mikael's is reliant on the support actually buying / landing it (little bit out of my control as ADC) and even if they do, the damage is already done.

Having my own flash up seems to be the best option provided that I can manage to flash the EXACT second Annie flashes.

Even if she does flash in, she doesn't really need to put herself in danger, just in range of one of the carries.

I suppose you could run Cleanse, but that seems like a pretty significant disadvantage in lane just to remove the stun while still getting hit with the damage burst anyway.

can you name another 1.75 AOE stun with .8 AP scaling? Leona comes close. but she has a cast delay. Cass is close but hers has .5 scaling and conditional upon which direction the enemy is facing (a form of counterplay).

You can't even tell me that you just need to watch for the swirls because a good annie will pop shield (granting her 4 stacks) and then ult or worse flash ult.

You can i don't know... engage her and force her to use her ult defensively? or maybe not be grouped in such a way that you might as well have a giant sign asking "free kills here"? maybe you should learn to position yourself in such a way that she cannot ult you if you are the ADC? maybe you could force her flash before the engage and then punish her for lacking said flash? maybe you should use your goddamn brain instead of whining like a damn 5 year old!?

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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You can i don't know... engage her and force her to use her ult defensively? or maybe not be grouped in such a way that you might as well have a giant sign asking "free kills here"? maybe you should learn to position yourself in such a way that she cannot ult you if you are the ADC? maybe you could force her flash before the engage and then punish her for lacking said flash? maybe you should use your goddamn brain instead of whining like a damn 5 year old!?

so you can't name someone else with an AoE stun with .8 AP scaling? I'm not whining, I just don't except your 'omg just counterplay it!' argument.

There are aspects of this game where I cannot have 100% vision at all times. There are moments as the ADC where regardless of position Annie can flash and kill you with zero time to react. It isn't always in my power to engage as the adc, especially against Annie. Who when fed can melt anyone who does engage on her.

I'm not whining, but you're being extremely aggressive / borderline abusive. If you can't handle talking back and forth without sarcasm, curse words, all caps, and other deragotory remarks I don't have much interest in continuing.

My point still remains, why does Veigar have his stun nerfed because lack of counterplay but Annie can keep hers? The real problem is when she can use it on tibbers, the other ones at least have casting animations and you can see it coming. Tibbers doesn't.

ZephyrDrakeFeb 18, 20151 votes

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so you can't name someone else with an AoE stun with .8 AP scaling? I'm not whining, I just don't except your 'omg just counterplay it!' argument.

There are aspects of this game where I cannot have 100% vision at all times. There are moments as the ADC where regardless of position Annie can flash and kill you with zero time to react. It isn't always in my power to engage as the adc, especially against Annie. Who when fed can melt anyone who does engage on her.

I'm not whining, but you're being extremely aggressive / borderline abusive. If you can't handle talking back and forth without sarcasm, curse words, all caps, and other deragotory remarks I don't have much interest in continuing.

My point still remains, why does Veigar have his stun nerfed because lack of counterplay but Annie can keep hers? The real problem is when she can use it on tibbers, the other ones at least have casting animations and you can see it coming. Tibbers doesn't.

no it doesn't your point is you being too lazy and stupid to not build and an excuse to have poor positioning in fights. You should not be so close to your frontline as an ADC that Annie can just flash ult you. That's called being out of position. Keep whining all you want Riot won't nerf her at all since she is balanced and cannot do flash ults anytime she wants

insaiyanbaccaFeb 17, 20151 votes

i can think of galio who's ult is a taunt but its just as effective lasts 2 seconds but only has a .6 scaling but can get 40% bonus damage

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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i can think of galio who's ult is a taunt but its just as effective lasts 2 seconds but only has a .6 scaling but can get 40% bonus damage

at least it puts him in danger, plus he can't cast his other spells while doing it... close though :)

insaiyanbaccaFeb 17, 20151 votes

yeah but he can actually use his w on himself during it which usually means he'll lose very little hp

ButterwoodFeb 17, 20152 votes

Morgana Sivir

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Good thing I picked before her huh?

ZazushaFeb 17, 20151 votes

The price u pay for picking your champ first.

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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The price u pay for picking your champ first.

Which is fine and all, but champs like Talon / Veigar got the nerf bat for not offering meaningful counter play....yet Annie keeps hers?

XxxLumberJackxxXFeb 17, 20152 votes

Engaging before she stacks up her passive? Banshees veil?

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Engaging before she stacks up her passive? Banshees veil?

I had that item, but unfortunately it isn't designed to just stay on until I get hit with tibbers.

ToreniaFeb 17, 20152 votes

I think the post was regarding how they think nerfing Veigar's most crucial ability, his E, which was a harder skillshot than Annie's Tibbers stun, in which Annie is also played significantly more as AP and support, was considered making the game healthy.

RuGuFeb 17, 20152 votes

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I think the post was regarding how they think nerfing Veigar's most crucial ability, his E, which was a harder skillshot than Annie's Tibbers stun, in which Annie is also played significantly more as AP and support, was considered making the game healthy.

We have a winner!

SpicyFeb 17, 20152 votes

This is a shit thread

ZouaveFeb 17, 20151 votes

i agree it need nerf. Last time talon flashed into me and rooted me for 0.1sec i hope riot destroyy him its uncounterable

ZazushaFeb 17, 20151 votes

Using your own flash? She's not using anything you wouldn't be able to use as well.

Vision on her incoming helps, as does MR, Tenacity, Hp, Hourglass, skills that make u untargetable, Spell Shields, etc.

Its not a hard combo to predict. Hell, note her Flash timer when u see her use it, and it'll give you a window she can't use it, and you'll be able to tell when its back up.

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Using your own flash? She's not using anything you wouldn't be able to use as well.

Vision on her incoming helps, as does MR, Tenacity, Hp, Hourglass, skills that make u untargetable, Spell Shields, etc.

Its not a hard combo to predict. Hell, note her Flash timer when u see her use it, and it'll give you a window she can't use it, and you'll be able to tell when its back up.

My gripe is more along the lines of when I play ADC. Usually those items aren't available to me. and having flash up is an option, you might have had to use it for some other reason at some point. There is just a very very small window to avoid this considering how devastating it is.

ZazushaFeb 17, 20153 votes

then its fair, Annie ran the risk of NOT flashing defensively, and using it Offensively.

Without flash, annie has no escape outside of her stun. Her stun being something u can predict.

If you're an ADC main, try to have supports with good enough Peel to prevent the annie from getting to you and erasing you until u can have the tools to avoid/counter her engage.

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes

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then its fair, Annie ran the risk of NOT flashing defensively, and using it Offensively.

Without flash, annie has no escape outside of her stun. Her stun being something u can predict.

If you're an ADC main, try to have supports with good enough Peel to prevent the annie from getting to you and erasing you until u can have the tools to avoid/counter her engage.

Just because I can predict it doesn't mean I can always do something about.

I agree that having a support who can do those things is nice, but usually a luxury. I settle for one who wards the map :)

Annie also doesn't need to use her flash defensively, especially when she is ahead. As long as tibbers is up you really can't engage her. IMO not letting her hold her stun indefinitely would resolve my issue immediately.

Colgate GatorFeb 17, 20151 votes

Abuse her lack of flash for the next 5 minutes.

SirsirFeb 17, 20151 votes

Don't group in a teeny tiny area

Moe Moe KyuunFeb 17, 20151 votes

I wish they would put a animation for her ult like they did with veigar E. I think it'd put counterplay then because she will at least need to stun before using tibbers so people don't run out.

GaleWinUnleashedFeb 17, 20151 votes

The counterplay is the massive downtime of Flash afterwards.

And proper vision control counters everything.

RedTrinketGoneHaFeb 17, 20151 votes

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What exactly is the counter play to that?

Cleanse... Anyone should take cleanse vs CC heavy team. It's so good but many people don't use it. I was playing Akali vs Annie the other day and I shat on her at least every 3 mins just cause I had cleanse with me, if she has stun + tibbers up, don't go near her till your cleanse it up. Simple as that, there is also QSS.

Matches that I've played vs heavy cc and won on Akali

Lissandra Brand Annie Zed ( His ulti Hue) Ahri Lux

Not to mention Akali doesn't even need Ignite since her damage is stupid OP even after nerfs.

Akali As balance dictates.

RedTrinketGoneHaFeb 17, 20151 votes

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Cleanse... Anyone should take cleanse vs CC heavy team. It's so good but many people don't use it. I was playing Akali vs Annie the other day and I shat on her at least every 3 mins just cause I had cleanse with me, if she has stun + tibbers up, don't go near her till your cleanse it up. Simple as that, there is also QSS.

Matches that I've played vs heavy cc and won on Akali

Lissandra Brand Annie Zed ( His ulti Hue) Ahri Lux

Not to mention Akali doesn't even need Ignite since her damage is stupid OP even after nerfs.

As balance dictates.

Also not to mention cleanse removes all summoner spells against you, ignite, exaust

RuGuFeb 17, 20151 votes