Seriously, just release him. Don't understand the point of delaying the champion release if he is patched into the client. You're making me want to NOT buy him at this point, the hype that was built around him has now fallen flat.
Edit: Thank you Snuski for the image.
RiotRiot Baconhawk12 votesThings are delayed for reasons. We try not to just dump stuff into the client but rather, release content at a steady pace so you don't get overwhelmed with stuff all at once. In Azir's case, though... We're telling a story... Might want to check out the Shurima website, where it says "Part I"
Daen6 votesIs the connotation here that Azir is being delayed exclusively for storytelling?
TerraRising6 votesI'm not impressed with this change up, to be blunt. I've chewed your ear off before, Baconhawk, but this is just weird and underwhelming.
RiotRiot Baconhawk8 votesFYI we've been doing it this way for a long time now. It isn't new.
Shinjusuke5 votesSure, and it's really nice of you guys to make sure all the screws are in before releasing the champ, totally agree. But most of the time the "turn them on" change seems very arbitrary.
At least in this case we get the reason of story, but c'mon man, it's been literally months since I've been excited about a champ, have mercy :( lol
If he's delayed all the way to the end of the Shurima event I'ma be hella sad, I had a bit of a nostalgic giggle when you guys revealed a new champ less than a month after Gnar since we haven't seen that since Hecarim lol
Lady Luck2 votesI gotta say... Using release, not reveals: The champions after (and including) Hec: Hec - 4/18 Varus - 5/8 Darius - 5/23 Draven - 6/6 Jayce - 7/7 Zyra - 7/24 Diana - 8/7 Rengar - 8/21 And so it continues until Thresh. Given there's less than a month between actual releases - pretty sure there was less than a month between release and reveal. And includes a large number of champions after Hecarim.
In the time since I've been playing (just after Jayce, which is why I distinctly remember multiple releases per month continuing well past Hec) they've always had a champion released sometime after the patch goes out. Sometimes its been later that day, sometimes it's been like a week... But champions have never been made available the same time a patch afaik.
RiotRiot Baconhawk5 votesTotally agree! Soon, padawan. Soon. :3
HemiPoweredDrone2 votesSoon is meaningless coming from you guys. :( Can you at least tell us if he'll be released this week?
RiotRiot Baconhawk5 votes"Kha'zix skin coming soon"
"Fnatic skins"
"Karma skin"
"X thing yall want, soon"
it is happening. Please be patient. We don't just sit around doing nothing; we work our butts off making sure what we release is awesome and not a rushed, half-assed attempt just to assuage impatience. If we did that, you wouldn't like the game as much. :( (and neither would I).
Bandle City Bot9 votesThe problem is, Riot as a whole uses Soon in the same sliding scale as 'not that bad'
Highly subjective. A papercut can be not that bad compared to a slap in the face. Being hit by a car can be not that bad compared to being eaten alive by sharks.
Maybe the better question are: A: Is Azir being delayed based on some plot within this event. B: Pending final fine tuning for live. C: To not steal thunder from the Ascension event and encourage people to buy the Kha'zix skin D: Soon like Magma Chamber/Ao Shin/The Fighter Tweaks/The Promised Rune Tweaks/Overhaul from back in Pre-Season or E: Soon like how you usually do a patch that is both New Champion and Major content tweaks to where a New Champ is usually delayed 3-5 business days.
Nothing against you guys taking your time to make sure content is perfect. Unclear language is a megabummer and kills hype.
Yes the Forums are big for crucifying Rioters who misspeak so maybe the person in the know could say something akin to this, using Azir release timing as an example:
"Pending any unforeseen problems Azir will be released in X to Y days. Should things change we will let you as it becomes clear to us."
It gives clear knowledge when we can expect it. It shows errors CAN arise up front. It indicates should an error come up you promise (and hopefully follow through) with informing the community should expectations change.
Edit: I know this might come as a cheap shot here at the lore department and for any frustrated feelings I'm sorry but: If it's based reason A, a lore or plot based thing, I think you guys should just release the champ now. Unless you're about to do an evolving Bio/Lore thing as this Shurima Event progresses you guys REALLY Dropped the ball on those lore 'reworks'. That being said if you are doing a constantly organic lore/bio based on how your events turn out, Kudos to you. Really neat idea and makes the currently lackluster tweaks palatable
Ni Meleth Li1 votesi really like this idea.
HeresyUntoFedex5 votesWell can you hurry up. This 'event' was alreay extremely disappointing, with all the horrible retcons and all that other crud, I just want to get Azir and pretend the rest of this never happened. Also you guys forgot to move Blitzcrank to shurima.
FaerKhan3 votesit is happening. Please be patient. We don't just sit around doing nothing; we work our butts off making sure what we release is awesome and not a rushed, half-assed attempt just to assuage impatience.
Except that that's exactly what the new "lore" is. Completely half-assed and lazy.
RiotRiot Baconhawk7 votesThe new lore hasn't been released in its entirety yet. What are you basing your comment off of? The short placeholder summaries on PBE?
Bandle City Bot3 votesThe new lore hasn't been released in its entirety yet. What are you basing your comment off of? The short placeholder summaries on PBE?
Erhm, so we have things on live servers that we can base it off of. If it's incomplete or it's organic (as I mentioned in my prior post) that's something Riot should probably own up to at this point. Otherwise yeah, it does look like the lore team half-assed it.
http://prntscr.com/4m9oy7 Nasus, pulled straight from my live account. http://prntscr.com/4m9p3j Amumu, also from live.
I could keep going but the point is made, this isn't a 'PBE only' thing. This is reactions based on what you guys put on the live server, thus indicating this is the finished product you wish to present to your customers.
If it isn't released in it's entirety and you intended to do a trickle release, isn't that something you should have told your customers as to help manage their expectations of quality of product?
Dies to Wolves9 votesdo you realize those "short placeholder summaries" have been pushed to the live servers?
FaerKhan2 votesSorry BaconHawk, I'm not irritated at you and I know you're on the skins team, so don't take this personally.
The lore team has released almost nothing for 3 years, and now is saying that none of the previous lore is canon. Starting from scratch and then giving us "placeholders" after 3 years of nothing is a problem. The announcement shouldn't have been made unless they were ready to show some **actual **high quality writing.
As of now, the only lore that is canon (according to Riot, as far as I know) is the Shurima video, and the placeholder lore. That's pretty poor for 3 years of work, especially since the placeholder lore looks like it was written by a 12 year old.
LUS Montplaisir2 votesThe issue with the new lore is...divisive, but not exactly unfounded. The flavor text, or the synopsis of the individual characters, isn't...the best. It also hasn't really been mentioned that the full bios are still up on the website are remain relatively canonical. So there's that.
FriendIy Psycho1 votesare you guys able to fix this lp thing? its really annoying. -20 per loss and +10 per win? come on man..
RiotRiot Baconhawk6 votesSo this means your MMR states you are at too high of a rank and it is trying to adjust you to where you're supposed to be. Your MMR is probably correlated to a lower rank~
Thryale1 votesThat's all fine and dandy, except it doesn't seem right. I only start getting really high losses and low gains when I go on tilt and have a 5+ losing streak. It then takes me almost a month to recover from that.
However, when I (on rare occasions) get a winning streak, I start seeing the inverse. Shouldn't the opposite be true? If I'm at the bottom of a losing streak, then that means my MMR took a nose dive, so why is it so hard to recover from that? But if I'm on a winning streak, shouldn't that mean my MMR is getting inflated?
ValyrianBlade1 votesNo, he has it right. You take a losing streak, your mmr takes a nosedive. The game thinks, low mmr for this rank, better drop him fast (large losses and small gains) to bring him to the lower rank he belongs at. You have a winning streak, your mmr is really high, the game thinks "wow this guy is way too good for this division, better make him gain fast" (large gains and small losses) so you get to the higher rank you belong at. This of course assumes your opponents are always similar mmr to you so there's no need to adjust in the opposite direction for winning against better/worse opponents.
FriendIy Psycho1 voteshow do i raise my MMR??
killyouxxx1 votescmon at least tell us is it this week or next one? It wont hurst if you release him soon, PLease? :)
RiotRiot Baconhawk4 votesWe are going to release him soon! not soon™, lol!
PsycloneJoker3 votesToday is Friday. Later today would be soon. If he doesn't come out today I doubt you guys will release him on the weekend, so Monday would be the earliest. Monday falls into the category of soon™, at least by internet time and standards.
killyouxxx1 votesi consider you evil rioter from now on, ur in the ranks with teemo, lissandra and vel'koz , be ashamed of yourself!
TerraRising2 votesReally? Any examples, because it hasn't seem that way?
RiotRiot Baconhawk5 votesNot sure what you're talking about. Our regular content release cadence should be enough of an example.
Explain what you mean by "it hasn't seemed that way" and I might be able to better answer you.
TerraRising5 votesI'll have to do a lot of formatting to clarify, but I think it's important enough.
In your reply to the OP, you said:
Things are delayed for reasons. We try not to just dump stuff into the client but rather, release content at a steady pace so you don't get overwhelmed with stuff all at once. **In Azir's case, though... We're telling a story... **"
I then replied with:
I'm not impressed with this change up, to be blunt. I've chewed your ear off before, Baconhawk, but this is just weird and underwhelming.
What I was referring to was delaying a new champion's release after a patch for story purposes. I've not seen Riot do that before except with Freljord and Lissandra.
To me, this change has been weird and a little underwhelming.
Baconhawk, you replied, directly, with:
FYI we've been doing it this way for a long time now. It isn't new.
From what you said, I assumed you meant "delaying the release of a champ for story reasons" and I asked for examples.
If I got that part wrong and you meant something else, I apologize. However, since it was a direct reply to my previous statement, I'm not sure how else I was supposed to take it.
Again, I don't remember Riot delaying the release of a champ to tell a story except for Lissandra. That was the last time Narrative was directly responsible for promoting a champion and event, iirc.
Hope that clarifies things.
ZetaFL1 votesI played him on PBE, he seemed completely finished. just curious on whats the delay? The bugs that i remember were little exploits or animation things that were probably already fixed. Jw
N4914 votesBULLET POINT FEEDBACK ATTACK!
UNRELATED FEEDBACK ATTACK!
Jace771 votesI care little for worlds and want to banish that box into OBLIVION!
but yeah what you said = +1
HemiPoweredDrone2 votesOn the other hand, it'd also be nice to have a kawaii male like Nami. I mean, people say that Fizz is a male, but I'm not entirely sure about his/her gender. Something seems off.
2nd Fiddle3 votesWe try not to just dump stuff into the client but rather, release content at a steady pace so you don't get overwhelmed with stuff all at once.
At the risk of sounding abrasive, then why do we get so many esports bits in the client?
Kao Atlantis3 voteseSports is a major reason why League of Legends is popular and a large percentage of the community do care about it. The live events draw hundreds of thousands of viewers, and the worlds events draw in millions. It makes a lot of sense that it is featured in the client.
Thryale2 votesYeah, I mean, do you really want it to be like back in 2011 where the servers would crash right after a major patch due to the HUGE influx of players trying to log on to play the new champ?
Zaphas3 votesYeah, I read Part I a good couple days ago. Watched the video, played the Ascension mode, got all the icons, it's super fun... so get on releasing Part II and Azir. I used to enjoy the lore til ya'll murdered it in a back alley and dumped it in a lake, so if you're waiting on flippin' LORE of all things to release Azir, do everyone a favor and just release him.
RiotRiot Baconhawk5 votesI understand you want Azir. So do I.
He will be released when he is ready to be released.
Greenshaw2 votesHonestly release the guy already, missing first day of the weekend because you want to tell a story. Clearly we asked for this lore update, oh wait we didnt and we told you we didnt want it. Now you are making us wait to listen to a story NONE of us care about anymore. You guys suddenly care about lore now?
Bandle City Bot2 votesWell to be fair here Green, the community as a whole has asked for a revival of things such as the JoJ for a long time now. Riot knows we, as players, want our lore back and they made an attempt. Granted if the complete finished product is what we have on our live servers here and now, they seriously dropped the ball and could have shamelessly stolen from any Fan Fiction website for comparable quality of product and saved themselves the billable hours of whoever wrote what we have now.
So to a degree we have asked for more lore, and Riot has just now decided to give an attempt at giving us what we want. On that end of the spectrum we should commend them. Delaying an obviously completed product because of Lore however, seems a little odd. This is further compounded by the quality of product from the latest incarnation of a visible lore department. IMO this is something that they should have led up to Azir's release. The story and like coming prior to the patch to further build up hype, because there is probably going to be some epic amazing story on how Bird Man is so bad-ass and has ascended from his normal life to an Ascended god thing. Would've been great, get you hyped from a lore end to try: Reworked Champion (Cass), Visually Tweaked Champion (Renekton), New Champion (Azir), and New Game Mode (Ascension) all at once and given the lore department either the time for a completed product for all the Shurima Lore reworks or the full trickle to be completed and we have all the information to base the opinions Riot wants us to have.
FaerKhan3 votesWhat lore? They haven't given us anything. In fact, the net is still 5 years worth of lore in the hole. Sorry, one retcon video that butchers 5 champions' characters and some 5th grade level sentences doesn't cut it.
Zaphas3 votesGraahhhah you're right. I do want Azir, pretty dang badly. I read over in the other thread on the better forums that you guys are still bugfixin' so I can understand that. No one wants a buggy bird.
I'm just peeved about the lore mostly. So long as Azir isn't primed and ready for launch but being held back so you guys can finish a lore video or something, I'm ok with waiting.
Nurama2 votesI understand you are telling a story and that so many other things where released, but the amount of hype that you built around this champion was INTENSE. You where like BAM Cass is now a thing again, BAM new game mode and icons!, BAM amazing kha skin, BAM awesome Q&A, then.... nothing. That has been it, no more developments in two days. Most people that want to play ascension already have I would assume, most people wanting the Kha skin have gotten it. The people excited for Cass slightly dissapointed due to the bug with her E. So basically it just comes down to, the story is taking to long to tell. I can read an entire book in one day, I don't get overwhelmed by that.
Azir seems amazing and different and cool, but the hype turned to anti-hype quickly after realizing he isn't as "soon" as expected. Hype is a wonderful thing, but it can also be a curse.
Snuski5 votes:D
Nurama1 votes:D Hahaha this is exactly what I was going with.
Later Biiitch1 votesAHA du bøge :D
C13Magnum2 votesFrom what I saw on PBE streams, he was extremely broken and OP. I hadn't seen him in a few builds so maybe he is better now, but he needed a lot of work last time I saw him.
Nurama4 votesIf he still needed a lot of work he would still be exclusive to PBE and not be advertised as coming soon this patch. Like they did with Gnar they delayed him until he was balanced enough for live servers.
InsaneSamurai2 votesMaybe they are waiting to not make mid lane so overcrowded, with Cass' rework just coming out there are already alot of people shooting for mid. That's the only reason I can think of considering there's usually no patch in between to modify the new champ before release, but who knows?