Patch 5.1 ADC IE vs BT Rush

Dr Downfall·Jan 16, 2015·1 votes·3,895 views

I'm just curious as to see where most people stand as to what item to rush now that IE was nerfed. Also assuming that if you rush IE you get pd ASAP since the damage from IE was moved onto PD.

14 Comments

TalamareJan 16, 20151 votes

PD rush

SukishooJan 16, 20151 votes

The CRIT of IE was moved to PD not the Damage. Damage and Crit are two highly different things.

Dr DownfallJan 16, 20151 votes

in a sense its the same thing for these two items. i know its the crit chance but thats what gives the item damage...and attack speed

SukishooJan 16, 20151 votes

The item 3031 has damage in it outside of crit, it gives you 80 plus AD when you finish it. Where as item 3046 is just mainly attack speed with a side of Crit. Crit from both just gives you a small boost here and there as it is only a chance.

TalamareJan 16, 20151 votes

BT is one of the lowest DPS items in the game

It is only rushed if you are dying a lot or have AD spells

You're better off rushing Bork over BT, but either way...

PD rush!

Dr DownfallJan 16, 20151 votes

so go straight phantom dancer into IE

KMannnnn1Jan 16, 20151 votes

I'm gonna say still probably IE over BT because you get lifesteal from runes/double dorans, and IE just gives more overall damage. The only real change would be if an ADC debated BoRK or Triforce vs IE, then it's probably favorable to delay IE.

Dr DownfallJan 16, 20151 votes

correct me if im wrong but im almost certain that standard runes for adcs take attack speed over life steal quints

KMannnnn1Jan 16, 20151 votes

Most will take either flat AD or lifesteal from my experience, but I have heard that attack speed has gained some popularity recently. My logic is unless you're really attacking as often as possible in the early game, attack speed is going to be less impactful than AD or LS. Given that most early trades are 2-3 autos then back to farming, AS isn't really getting to shine.

CenturosJan 16, 20151 votes

What about rushing BotRK?

I personally like getting Avarice Blade early and just not bothering to upgrade it until I finish a few other items.

JustMyBassCannonJan 16, 20151 votes

Actually, BotRK's proc does give it higher damage potential than BT/IE, even early on. For 8% HP to make up for the 55 AD difference, the target needs less than 700 HP. For the average DPS to be greater than BT, they need to start around 1375 HP. With IE, the exact number isn't on hand, but it's not much higher, probably around 1700 HP.

The proc doesn't scale with Crit, but it's powerful without that.

TalamareJan 16, 20151 votes

If you rush IE you will probably have AS runes

If you rush PD you will probably have AD runes

Also remember that PD is literally 1k Cheaper than IE meaning realistically its possible to compare something like Doran + PD + BF sword vs Doran + IE + idk 2nd Doran?

70 HP 57 AD 50% AS 35% Crit 5% MS 3% LS

140 HP 94 AD 20% Crit 50% Crit dmg 6% LS

(Did I forget anything?)

TalamareJan 16, 20151 votes

Lv9 ... lets say Graves, no steroids D+PD+BF = 231 DPS 2D+IE = 213 DPS

I'll do the math for BT too if ya want, but what item would you take with it? try to get it around 4700g

Kuroi86Jan 16, 20151 votes

I doubt the change will force many if any to go from IE back to BT. The AD is still the same, the crit chance is still good and the passive is still what makes crit builds good. The passive on BT just can't compete with that. And unless you've a massive AS steroid then the lifesteal isn't likely going to overpower the crits. And even if you do have a massive AS steroid, then IE is still a better choice because hey, more crits.