about the qss for zed ult

Melón·Oct 16, 2016·2 votes·953 views

First of all, I am unranked, my ability of playing adc might be at gold rank or silver, it doesn't matter for this topic. At last game, there is literally no counter play for an adc against zed . I was jinx that game. Here is the replay of the last team fight.

I was not alone, I was sitting at the back of the team trying to do some dmg while avoiding zed. Then he rushed out with ghost blade and went straight on me. I had an Irelia around me.
I had heal , flash , qss and every other abilities, I didn't have GA because it was proc-ed last team fight, so I changed it to last whisper , since they had 3 tanks.
So, after he re-appeared around me shortly after the death mark, i got hit by one of his e, and I flashed all his q, at this point he was stunned my Irelia's e, and he used qss to remove the stun, with the rest of the speed up from ghost blade and qss, he auto me once. I used my qss and heal immediately trying to survive, but the death mark's dmg with thunder lord killed me after half a sec.

This feeling isn't good, I don't really care what rank I am in right now, but I am not that bad either. At 20mins mark I normally have 150 or 160 farms, I can do attack move quite ok, and my team fight position is alright(at least at the last team fight I was talking about). I don't just want to get overwhelmed by an assassin's dmg and literally no counter play. Thats called a "feelsbad".

I hate when riot deleted the ability of qss to removed zed's ult. Riot, I didn't really get why did u do this. An adc at late game with all the ss up with qss, should be able to have some counter plays against zed.

Sincerely.

19 Comments

RageQ2Oct 16, 20161 votes

To be honest the reason why Riot removed the whole qss thing is because they didn't like the idea of removing an ult completely out of the game by 1 item. Other than that all you have to really do it expect his expections, generally a zed with try to full combo you W>E>Q>W>AA. If you dodge more or less half that dmg then you're good to engage because he has no cc. If he ults on you first use a cc ability on him to lessen the impact of that ult, for example, as Jinx you could've laid your traps under neath you. Now it wouldn't stop him from using a full combo, in that point you would want to flash away from any threat and boom all gone. If at any point you're about to die from him. Get as much dmg as possible off onto him so he becomes usless for his team.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

I know and I laid my traps, and as I said, Irelia also stunned him with her e, but he had qss, and he moves faster after qss even I used qss and heal. And he really only had one e on me.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

I doubt just his R-E-auto killed you. If it did, you were either extremely behind or he was extremely ahead. A 1300 gold should not completely nullify an ultimate. Build defensively. Play smarter.

And what you're describing is a good play on his part. Zed is ridiculously full of counterplay.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

It was a late game team fight, both him and I are full build. He builds full dmg with qss. And I said I had no GA. I thought of a BT but after I sold GA there is not enough gold.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

That was your fault. GA is still a shitton of resistances. And not getting BT against burst if you had that much trouble with Zed.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

Here, it provides 60 armor, and zed also had tons of armor pen. The problem is that considering it is going to be the last team fight, with 2 of our inhibitors down(if I remember correctly), there is no use for me to survive with 10% health and back to base. That would completely lose us the game. I was hoping with all my ss up and qss I would be able to at least survive zed and do as much damage on their team as possible.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

So what? 60 is better than 0. And QSS does nothing to Zed. Nor should it. The design change was good. Not sure why you're complaining that an assassin did their job.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

I had qss only because they have jhin, thresh and shen. I am not saying that assassin should not kill adc late game, what I am saying is that, there should be at least some counter plays when adc had everything up. Not because I am really bad or something. Like talon, I can ask support to buy a pink, like syndra, I can qss her e, or item 3102 , for lb, I can qss and flash her at least one w, for ahri, when I have heal, qss and flash I can promise I can at least dodge 3/4 of her ability. But for zed, he land only e and auto after his ult, and i died. Why is that even right?

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

There is counterplay. He just outplayed you. And you misplayed. And I doubt you are telling the truth.

Also, again. You had no defensive items. You are extremely squishy. That was your fault.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

Then please tell me, how did he outplayed me? And what did I misplayed? Please be more detailed. First of all, I need to flash after his ult otherwise I would bring him with me. And because he can just spam his e button while he was ulting me, so he will at least hit his e. And then what about his qss? Does that even count as an "outplay?" He simply ulted me, e, and qss then auto, and went back to his shadow.

Like, come on man. Feel the pain of playing adc facing zed, could I even have a chance to "outplay" him?

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

also what is the counter play u mentioned?

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

Counterbuilding.
Sticking with teammates (No, Irelia by herself and you do not mean anything. She has no sufficient peel or protection for you, such as through support items or Exhaust or the like).
Warding to avoid flanks.
Playing safe.
If you have any CC (Jinx in this case), land it on him.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

The fact he got off his combo and killed you, avoiding CC through Mercurial, and returned, after diving into an entire team, is his good play. Your misplay isn't entirely your fault, but you either failed or missed W, failed to properly E, and were out essentially alone (Irelia isn't enough, because she has almost no helpful peel or way of protecting you like an actual support would).

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

I got what you are saying. And here is the more detailed replay. We were fighting around our destroyed 2nd turret in the mid lane, 3 of my teammates got engaged by zac. Zed used his w though the wall near the wolfs(our team is at red side), used ghost blade. If i used my w at him, with his movement speed, he would ult me and dodge my w at the same time, so I tried my best to run to Irelia who was kinda near me. By the way, my support is anivia who died instantly when the fight started.

As for my abilities, he qss both my e and irelia's e.

I seriously don't think simply using qss to auto me count as good play when he didn't land a single skill shot expect for one e. That's what I was saying, at this kind of situation, I should be able to survive burning all my ss and qss when he kinda misplayed, or because I used my flash to dodge them.

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

Then that was an amazing group play on their team's part. You were simply outplayed. You can't do everything to save yourself in every situation. You said you flashed his Q. He only has 2 skillshots, and he landed his E. Yes, that is a good play, since he bypassed Irelia's stun/peel to kill you and return safely.

And no, you should not survive.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

Alright dude, what can I do in that situation? How comeI was outplayed. By not being able to qss his ult? And also, can name another champion that can do this please? Who literally don't have a counter play?

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

??? You really can't do anything in that situation. Their team did everything just about perfectly and cut off all said chances of you escaping by disabling your team so they can't peel, and Zed flanked in, QSSing Irelia's stun to kill you. I don't see why you think that's so unusual/a problem.

??? Any assassin could do this with this perfect of a team engage. All champions in this game have massive amounts of counterplay. Zed included.

MelónOct 16, 20161 votes

No, what I mean about another assassin is when I have about 2800 gold from selling GA, able to get one item available for counter. Ib? item 3102 syndra? item 3139 Talon? rengar? item 2043 summoner 4 Annie? Ahri? twisted fate? veigar? kat? azir? And zed???????? What the heck can help me? even he missed his q?

And also kassadin, qss for him too, and i can flash his e

AstôlfoOct 16, 20161 votes

Against Zed, you might as well just have kept the GA. He doesn't rely on CC, nor does he rely on stealth. So plain health or resistances would've been best. Alternatively, Sterak's would've almost completely nullified his entire combo.