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Viktor??

Death Ray·4/21/2016, 11:59:03 AM·86 votes·3,261 views

These days, i have seen AP mids like malzahar get a passive that blocks 90% of the incoming dmg and CC for a second, makes 1v1ing him even more fun. Syndra gets to spawn spheres that last longer (higher AP ratio) so that it's even easier to point click delete someone. Velkoz gets true damage on his ult when he procs his passive on someone. Veigar gets free AP for poking with spells.

But what does Viktor get?

Siphon Power (Q): Cooldown lowered to 8/7/6/5/4 from 10/8.5/7/5.5/4 Missile damage increased to 60/85/110/135/160 from 40/60/80/100/120 AP ratio increased to .4 from .2 Attack damage changed to 20/35/50/65/80 from 20-210 (based on level) Shield changed to [8% max mana + (.15 AP)] from [30/50/70/90/110 + (.20 AP)] Death Ray (E): Laser Damage AP ratio reduced to .5 from .7 [Augment] Explosion damage changed to 40/70/100/130/160 (+ .6 AP) from 100% of Laser Damage [Augment] REMOVED No longer reduces explosion damage by 60% against targets damaged by Death Ray. [Augment] Explosion delay increased to 1.25 seconds from .6 seconds Chaos Storm (R): Initial damage lowered to 100/175/250 (+.5 AP) from 150/250/350 (+.55 AP) Tick interval increased to 2 seconds from .5 seconds Tick damage changed to 150/250/350 (.6 AP) from 15/30/45 (.10 AP) Duration reduced to 6 seconds from 7

Well.. he gets **** on. Sitting at the bottom with the lowest winrate of all the midlaners (46.6%) and a playrate of only 3.2%. http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/by-winrate. and this is your solution to the problem?? It's disgusting, i just can't give any positive feedback on this. Viktors E is his iconic ability and main damage source, with the delay added delay to the explosion its nearly impossible to hit someone with the explosion damage, 1.25 seconds delay is the same delay a veigar has on his Dark Matter ability (W), is there someone that ever got hit by Veigar (W) without being chain CC'ed? Even Anivia without boots can dodge it and the hextech items will make it even easier since people can just jump out/away. Also, i don't understand the mana scaling on the shield.. it just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Overall this seems like a heavy nerf to me which can not be justified.

Sometimes i feel like you guys are just changing things without actually looking ahead and thinking about the consequences, it's very frustrating. You should spend more time on balancing champions like Azir Zed Leblanc Ahri Graves Soraka or maybe i should jump on the freeloo train too.

29 Comments

Drider4204/21/2016, 1:43:42 PM21 votes

yeah i dont understand the viktor nerf. he already requires a descent amount of skill.

Barrclaw4/21/2016, 6:35:34 PM9 votes

Riot needs to adress this, people who don't even play Viktor much are speaking out about this.

Scramrail4/21/2016, 6:11:03 PM9 votes

Maybe they just want to see his win/play rate fall to historic levels before they decide to make him viable again.

I was a Viktor main until that first nerf he got a couple months ago, and was waiting until the mid season update to jump back on him (I basically gave up on playing SR and have been sticking to ARAM, so its not like I just bailed on him for some FOTM), but now that they have decided the mage updates purpose was to leave mages in an even worse state than before, I think ill just stick to ARAM.

burritomomo4/21/2016, 4:28:11 PM6 votes

I dont really play victor so I dont understand the changes to much and how it effects him.

Voluug134/21/2016, 5:53:30 PM4 votes

To be fair they are nerfing Malzahar's damage as cost for that passive (way less burst), while the Syndra Q change is a damage nerf actually (you need around 3000+ AP to get to pre-nerf values) while doing nothing for people who mastered Syndra.

HeavyHoplite4/21/2016, 9:01:45 PM4 votes

Hey guys just wanted to point out something with. I love the guy and I steamroll people with him and so far I have only ever lost lane one time this season . These changed aren't that bad. What they are doing is removing his 1 shotting power and making him a better teamfighter.

His ult is going to be hitting way harder since the tick damage will be upped the number you see now for it is the TOTAL damage for all the ticks combined his ult will go from a massive muti-person burst to more of a morg w that can move with better damage. Sadly they nerfed his base damage so burst mages and assassins will be harder to kill but still it should be good.

Now for his e, death ray, its going to be again better for fight the second damage proc will probably be forgotten about in most fight (at least is silver or bronze maybe gold idk) and I average 1000 damage with the first hit now so Its damage will go up by 200ish I would say since the ap scaling got nerfed.

What really will make him strong is his q right now the shield suck and can take one auto-attack or ability so making scale off mana and ap will help it also the cooldown reduction on his q early on will mean u can trade with it more. I believe what they are trying to do is make his q his trading tool rather that his e since they will buff his q so heavily.

All that said, pretty much max q first since it got buffed if u want to win lane.

Scoroct4/21/2016, 6:11:33 PM4 votes

The mana shield actually is decently nice especially with the new items. The ult is kinda cool in that is dps zone control without being another rumble ult ticking every half second (maybe it should only be 1.5 sec though, 2 is quite long), but the E change just is terrible. Take that away and he would feel pretty good overall at least for me personally.

MunchCrunchLunch4/21/2016, 5:03:57 PM4 votes

he already feels terrible I cant one shot minion waves anymore after the E nerfs.

Mohrb4/21/2016, 6:53:58 PM3 votes

All the delays are killing us... Viktor's lazer was just fine with the augment was "It burns for more damage after it hits" ... but that had to be nerfed to a delay to "be fair and give people a chance to dodge". Nope... gotta be SUPER fair and give people a ton of delay for what's already one of the most complicated skill shots in the game. Can't just point in a direction, you have to vector victor's victory beam.... which is overall a good thing. I hate the 90 degree wall thing on Malz (and now Zyra apparently). It works with Karthas and Anivia because they're walls... but not so much for attacks.

... plus quadroopling the time between ticks on the ult... that's... special. Looks like more overall damage if you can hold people still.. but I preferred a bunch of small fast ticks over 3 chunks.

HolyDelRey4/22/2016, 2:44:41 PM2 votes

What the hell are these changes? They already screwed his waveclear a couple patches ago and now this? Viktor used to be my main and seeing this is upsetting.

dunkeroni4/22/2016, 3:10:04 PM1 votes

...You think Ahri is unbalanced? She's so easy to kill though...

Miror B4/21/2016, 7:32:57 PM1 votes

As a former viktor main who had to abandon him after the massive e nerf (which gutted his wave-clear potential), it's depressing to see what they're doing to him and AP mages in general. Until today when I played him as support, I hadn't seen him at all since pre-season and when I did play him his overall harass felt relatively weak in lane (a lv1 laser against a lv2 enemy taric was literally doing 20 damage). With the recent changes to AP items, it "kinda" feels like Riot wants to cater to one playstyle and punish people who deviate from that. "You can play AP characters who require you to accurately aim skillshots and control resources? Cool, we'll make it so that people can literally right click auto-target you to death and make a bigger impact". This game is becoming less about skill and more about the meta, and it's starting to make games unplayable now. item 3073

Cryo004/21/2016, 8:42:43 PM1 votes

To be fair, people don't like the Syndra changes a lot either, because that ability to point and click delete someone from the game is asking for a nerf to her ultimate damage.

The Taco Kat4/21/2016, 8:47:59 PM1 votes

I understand the point of this, but please don't say Syndra is receiving buffs this upcoming patch.

Although, I'm unsure if they plan to up her Q scale more than 70%.

ShacoVSociety4/22/2016, 2:30:17 AM1 votes

Listen bruh, i dont play viktor so i dont care about the changes that much, but just to get this out of the way; ZED IS NOT FREELO

ImperialKain4/22/2016, 11:54:08 AM1 votes

Just think about these changes as compensation, Veigar style. Oh he well still do damage, but that said damage is harder to land.

Eurostep4/22/2016, 1:46:25 PM1 votes

I think RIto is nerfing Viktor now so that they can buff him back to normal aka his godly levels from last season later in the summer split, before Worlds. :>