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Yasuo Changes (Nerf or Buff?)

ßageI··2 votes·1,635 views

With Riot's most recent patch notes, Yasuo has received a "nerf" on his E damage but earned an AD ratio on his E. I was confused on whether or not this was a buff or a nerf, so I did the math to find out using a formula, substituting in the AD ratio using Yasuo base AD, (55) and substituting values such as 70, 85, 100, and 110. Before the Changes: E damage: 70/90/110/130/150 No AD Ratio, so this is the damage you dealt. After the Changes: E damage: 60/70/80/90/100 AD Ratio of 0.2 bonus AD

Quick Calculations: So we know Yasuo's AD is base 55 and the 0.2 ratio is in BONUS AD, so we cannot use total AD in the ratio. So if level one, like me, you would have 7.7 extra AD, which rounds down to 7 in a worst case scenario (since I don't know if riot rounds up or down in decimal runes) that is 1.4 extra damage on E. And since I build Doran's blade first Item, that would give me 80 extra AD level 1, and the extra damage is about 17.4

E damage with 0.2 bonus AD (If you have my runes and my generic build, because It is bonus AD, and it all depends on runes, masteries, and build)

Level 1: 63 magic damage Level 2: 73 magic damage Since I am going off my build and when I would usually get it, these numbers pertain to ME as a player, but I would like to give you other Yasuo mains the chance to see this and go off of that. Level 3: 99 magic damage Level 4: 111 magic damage Level 5: 144.4 magic damage

This is the most I'll be able to deal as soon as I level up Yasuo's E to max.
Again, since it scales with bonus AD, I can just substitute the amount of AD I have at full build to calculate the Damage E will deal.

Full Build (For a generic Yasuo build): 160.4 damage

In conclusion, this is a nerf to yasuo's early game, so he might not be able to abuse starting E level one and guaranteeing a first blood, but with yasuo's good damage on his Q, he should be alright, but, once you hit 250 bonus AD, the E damage will get better so this is a buff to yasuo's late game. If you were wondering, the items I did the calculations with were: Phantom Dancer Infinity Edge Dead Man's Plate Spirit Visage Blade of the Ruined King Frozen Mallet

This build added with my bonus AD from runes and masteries allowed me to get the damage numbers. And since this is off bonus AD, feel free to try this for yourself and let me know what you get!

The Formulas I used were: Before the Changes: 50 + 20x After the Changes: .2b + 50 +10x

B being bonus AD and x being level of E

10 Comments

FalconPawwwwnch2 votes

Massive nerf

ßageI1 votes

If you can, I would really appreciate it if you upvoted so other yasuo mains can see this.

Sett up 4my gank1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Galaxy Kazma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rxEtsAgz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-04T23:51:30.946+0000)

If you can, I would really appreciate it if you upvoted so other yasuo mains can see this.

I don't see how you got an extra 17.4 damage level 1? That would require 87 bonus ad level 1?

ßageI1 votes

I explained it there on the forum, but what I did is that I calculated buying a Doran's blade level 1 and my runes of 7 bonus AD, Doran's blade gives you 80 extra AD which is calculated by the ratio.

ßageI1 votes

It was 8, not 80 I'll change it now

PermabannedGaren1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Galaxy Kazma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rxEtsAgz,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-05T00:03:38.355+0000)

I explained it there on the forum, but what I did is that I calculated buying a Doran's blade level 1 and my runes of 7 bonus AD, Doran's blade gives you 80 extra AD which is calculated by the ratio.

Doran's vlade gives you 8 AD.

Sett up 4my gank1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Galaxy Kazma,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rxEtsAgz,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-05T00:03:38.355+0000)

I explained it there on the forum, but what I did is that I calculated buying a Doran's blade level 1 and my runes of 7 bonus AD, Doran's blade gives you 80 extra AD which is calculated by the ratio.

For future reference the easiest way to go about a base nerf vs ratio buff like this is to find the equalizing point. For example Old E 70/90/110/130/150 New E 60/70/80/90/100 +.2 bonus ad the difference between level 1 old e and level 1 new e is 10 damage. How much ad would you need to break even on that. Well since its a .2 ad ratio you would need 50 bonus ad at level 1 to equalize.

difference between level 2 old and new is 20, so you ould need 100 bonus ad, level 3 old and new is 3 so youd need 150 bonus ad and you can kind of see a trend here, level 4 is gonna need 200 bonus ad and level 5 is gonna need 250 bonus ad. So it is actually a nerf in almost all scenarios unless you have like 6 items and some red drakes or baron or something.

ßageI1 votes

Yea I realized that and used new formulas and I fixed it, Thank you so much for the help ^-^

Sett up 4my gank1 votes

{quoted}

I don't see how you got an extra 17.4 damage level 1? That would require 87 bonus ad level 1?

Like with all those items and masteries you only have around 150 bonus ad, so at max build with your build you are only getting 30 extra damage on your E so with a tanky build it's actually never the same amount of damage.

SaltyKracka1 votes

It was a nerf, of course. E was ridiculous, and every Yasuo who knew anything about anything maxed it first.

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