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WHY CAN YOU BAN A CHAMP AFTER YOUR MATE DECLARED IT ???

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB··3 votes·1,493 views

As title. I'm getting collapse about this. Yes, of course, everyone are required to be positive, be nice. Thus you shouldn't do it. But what if you did anyway? No banning, no penalties, THERE'S EVEN NOT A REPORT REASON FOR THIS. How about those who banned by their sweet *@%&@(% teammates? Well only 2 choices (under the condition that you want to be nice like me of course)

  1. Forced to play with champs that you didn't want to.
  2. Dodge then suffer the "penalty". I mean, RIOT said they're glad to see any unusual/experimental play styles, as well as you'r aiming the victory. But there's the biggest enemy against these, alone side with the easiest way to solve: "Patch ?.??: you can no longer ban your mates' declare now, be nice! Guys!" Yeah it will warn you when you'r banning champs that your mates declared. But it's useless if someone is doing it intentionally. And it makes no sense to allow them to. Why not just lock those champs when banning like someone picked it when you'r picking? Banning is after declaring, it's super easy to do this. Why not? WHY?????

28 Comments

RenownedWheat426 votes

Last pick: hovers op pick otm. "dw guys i got this"

can no longer ban op pick otm

enemy first picks op pick otm

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Quiet Dude4 votes

Ima try and break it down:

Your 5th pick wants Master Yi for jungle. Master Yi is kind of ridiculous right now.

You have no idea in what order the enemy team is in. Their jungle could be first pick or last pick.

Do you take that chance to let the enemy team get master yi before your fifth pick, or do you ban him so no one gets Master Yi? Sure your 5th pick will be salty, but are you willing to take that chance?

Bans are unpunishable. If you feel like someone is going to ban your declared champ to spite you, don’t declare it.

Kanzler4 votes

Because I get 1 ban. I can use that ban however I want.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

WHY? Are you kidding????? Ok Do you know? I get 1 lane. I can play it however I want. What are you talking about ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Kanzler2 votes

You should be in summer school. Yikes.

Gabresol4 votes

Ranked Games are competetive games in which try your best to win. You are supposed to pick and ban the most effective way. Banning the current overpowered champion, because the chances of getting it on your team are too slim, is doing excectly that. Draft Pick is basicly training for ranked, so the same rules do apply.

If youwant to play a champion no matter what, play blind pick. That IS the purpose of that mode. There you can play your evelynn Top, Ashe Jungle, get one-shot by Kai'sa and destroyed by Taric Yi all you desire.

But do not expect people to gamble their LP or Promos on your 0 win out of 10 games Jinx Support...

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Ok I tried to figure out your focus. You mean if someone's declare made you feel dangerous, you banned them for security right? That's exactly what I'm talking about, this could be extended without restriction, or let's say, "abused". Some can claim that, according what you said:

If you'r not first pick, declared yi, imma ban you. If you'r going yi mid, imma ban you If you'r going Kaisa mid, imma ban you. If you'r going Pyke sup, imma ban you. If you'r not picking according opgg, imma ban you.

Whenever you did something that make your mates feel uncomfortable, you got banned. Then where's unusual play style? What are you "allowed" to play? Ask your teammates. Do you even still feel it's acceptable?

Gabresol1 votes

{quoted}

Ok I tried to figure out your focus. You mean if someone's declare made you feel dangerous, you banned them for security right? That's exactly what I'm talking about, this could be extended without restriction, or let's say, "abused". Some can claim that, according what you said:

If you'r not first pick, declared yi, imma ban you. If you'r going yi mid, imma ban you If you'r going Kaisa mid, imma ban you. If you'r going Pyke sup, imma ban you. If you'r not picking according opgg, imma ban you.

Whenever you did something that make your mates feel uncomfortable, you got banned. Then where's unusual play style? What are you "allowed" to play? Ask your teammates. Do you even still feel it's acceptable?

Do you only have like 2 champions n your account, or what? I pick according to what is needed on the team. What is this "But I wanna pick Evelynn botlane into caitlynn, blitzcrank!"-mentality? People ban what they do not want to play against and if you are not capable to play any other of the 20 champions you need to have for ranked, then just stay away from ranked. Ranked is less about what you want to play and more about what would make more sense to play.

DrCyanide2 votes

It absolutely should be tolerated. Not tolerating it opens up the entire lobby to the possibility of being held hostage because someone on your team is hovering the inevitable OP pick of the patch.

"Sorry you don't want to go against Yi+Taric, I think Yi Support would be fun! That is, unless you're willing to give me Mid..."

Yeah, no, not dealing with that. Champions should remain banable as long as the enemy team has them.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Excuse me, I really can't understand what are you talking about, other than "It absolutely should be tolerated." Could you please make it more clear?

DrCyanide2 votes

Assume for a moment you're not allowed to ban away an allies hover. That stops the occasional annoyance where you have to pick something else to play, but it replaces an annoyance with a problem.

Knowing allies couldn't ban away champions being hovered, people who don't get their preferred role could simply hover whatever is completely broken that patch. Then they could force teammates to trade them their preferred role if they want to be able to ban whatever is broken. Denying the ban on something that should be banned becomes a bargaining chip to make the entire experience worse.

Rather than put up with that crap, it's far better if when your champion gets banned, you simply pick another.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Of course it's fine "when your champion gets banned, you simply pick another." But it's NOT when your champion gets banned BY YOUR MATES. Can you understand? For the "bargaining chip", why can't banning you'r mates be one? It's the same. And, why not "when an op champ can't be banned, you simply pick it, or just face it"? And, what's "op champ"? You can even ask 10 guys for one, getting a 10 length-ed list. Admit it, there's no one.

DrCyanide2 votes

Of course it's fine "when your champion gets banned, you simply pick another." But it's NOT when your champion gets banned BY YOUR MATES. Can you understand?

It literally makes no difference who bans it. Not one bit of difference. Your options are the same regardless of who banned it and why - pick another champion or dodge.

What you fail to understand is that it's your attitude that needs adjusting if you can't handle your champion being banned by teammates once in a while.

For the "bargaining chip", why can't banning you'r mates be one? It's the same.

Go ahead, threaten to ban my champion. You've got one ban and I've got lots of champions. What's more, you've done nothing to make the game worse for the other 3 players in the game by threatening to ban/actually banning my champion.

So no, it doesn't work that way.

And, why not "when an op champ can't be banned, you simply pick it, or just face it"?

You're advocating that a teammate takes your pick, which still forces you into the same situation you complained about. The only difference is it puts your team in a worse situation than before, since it increases the enemy's chances of getting it.

And, what's "op champ"? You can even ask 10 guys for one, getting a 10 length-ed list.

Yi+Taric and Karthus+Nunu are being used to completely crush teams as just a duo. It's so bad it's showing up in pro play.

The argument doesn't even have to 100% be "OP" champions, it can be champions that just make the game miserable.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Thx bro. Though I still can't fully agree these. You'r talking such rationally that I can totally understand you'r view. Such things about "You've got one ban and I've got lots of champions." sounds like what I really lacked/should learn.

I mean...I can't figure out what you'r talking about on your 1st reply, still... Were you just telling some jokes? lol

Anyway, thx you.

DrCyanide1 votes

It wasn't a joke, it was something that a player holding the game hostage could say.

Øni Śenjutsu2 votes

If im banning your pick, then I'm obviously not your mates.

Laddie.

But on a serious note, yes, Pyke is the perfect example for this, hell all new champs are. If your call is pretty low down the pick order you should be prepared to have back up picks, or don't declare at all since the mere declaration will also affect whether you get that pick or not.

-A rakan mid main. [sg-ezreal]

MadSeer2 votes

There are plenty of reasons why you should be able to ban a declared champ, the most obvious one being the risk of facing a hard counter if you're first pick.

I do think it's bad manners to just ban the champ without comms and seeing if he can be first picked and switched first.

If it's clearly done to troll then you file a report for griefing.

YokoNomi2 votes

Some do it to be a dick. Most should consider it to be a tactical choice. Some champions I just flat out never want to see in my elo for obvious reasons. I'm almost at that point where I exclusively ban Darius, regardless of my role.

Shiki Ryougi2 votes

Everyone has a ban. Anyone can ban who they want. The entire point of splitting the bans from one person was so everyone could have some say on what they see in the game. Cope with the situation.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

OMG I can't believe there's those votes... nvm... So far, you'r talking about 5th picking wanted op picks. I mean, even in that situation, YOU'R NOT SUPPOSED TO BAN IT. Yeah, that's a huge risk, but whatever, even if you'r the god that know your 5th mate 100% can't get it, YOU'R NOT SUPPOSED TO BAN IT.

That's your mate's declare, you should respect it.

And as you said, it's hard to do this when you know the risk. So I'm asking this feature. It's just same with you will have problem to resist other girls/boys with a girl/boy friend when you know others is hot. You want, but you shouldn't. Yeah he might be unable to get it, but you should respect all your mates' declare, regardless anything. So you can't, right. Then that's why I'm claiming RIOT should intervene.

Quiet Dude3 votes

I can ban whoever I want, whether me mate wants him or not

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

WHY? Are you kidding????? Ok Do you know? I can play however I want, whether my mates want it or not. What are you talking about ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Quiet Dude4 votes

Yea I’m not kidding. Your bans are for you to use freely

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Do you even read my reply? Can you even understand what you'r talking about? How about your guns/knives? FOR YOU TO USE FREELY ??? You banned your mates' declare, that actually ruined their play experiences. That's not what you deserved. In other word, not your rights. It's playing what champ you want as long as they'r not banned by enemies that you deserved, as well as your mates.

DrCyanide1 votes

Forget guns/knives, are you trying to use your keyboard freely !?!

Someone get a moderator over here! This guy's got a keyboard, and he's using it how he wants! That's just unacceptable, he shouldn't be able to use the keys I want to press!

Seriously, what's with the hysterics? You're sounding pretty off your rocker here.

Bans are intended for banning what you don't want the enemy team to play. If it happens to overlap with what a teammate wants to play, too bad for them.

Quiet Dude3 votes

To be honest dude, I can hardly understand what you’re talking about. You use a lot of needless paragraph formatting and poor grammar.

I’m just assuming this is all about someone banning the guy you or “your mate” declared in champion select. I don’t know what your talking about in terms of guns/knives/girl or boyfriend.

You write like you’re on coke.

NOOBNOOBNOOBNOOB1 votes

Guys...take it ez... I know my English is not well. And what are you talking about, DrCyanide? I can only understand something like "Forget guns/knives" "get a moderator over here!"... And I'm worry now. I don't want to be like an abuser, or a... mental ill ????? I'm not original american, just trying to do some metaphor. Just sorry if it seems to be salty.

/ I mean, yes, for now you can use your bans freely. It's really "freely" that you can even ban you'r mates, that's for now. But that's WRONG, you shouldn't be. Banning is your "right", of course. But if it extended too much that impacted other players' "right", like "playing any champs you wanted as long as they'r not banned by enemies", it should be stoped. /\

And tbh, yes, I got salted a bit. For what? I typed that bunches of things, trying to explain what I'm arguing, then? you replied me with something like "I can ban whoever I want, whether me mate wants him or not", which shows you even didn't read them. That offended me tbh. Any way, sorry. I hope you all guys can understand what's the focus I'm talking about this time, which is in the 2nd paragraph.

Strigina1 votes

OMG I can't believe there's those votes...

You don't like democracy or what?

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