Vayne buff ludicrous

twerkhorse·Mar 1, 2019·9 votes·5,624 views

Tumble stealth tumble stealth tumble stealth.

14 Comments

Craft ZeppelinMar 1, 20199 votes

Yeah and I told everyone when she got buffed I literally cannot see her to even point and click. And then some idiots replied "That is what Vayne is supposed to do. Git gud."

Do you dimwits need to suffer and feel pain to actually know what was going on until the damage is already done?

JuiceBoxPMar 1, 20191 votes

Lol.

JohnnyNeverSinsMar 1, 20192 votes

Welcome to the League of legends players that have been playing the game for like 2 years and think they know stuff,xd

Scottsc20Mar 1, 20191 votes

2 months*

SaiannaMar 1, 20191 votes

And the worst part is when you realize those people have the right to vote and they are the majority lol :D

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMar 1, 20193 votes

People wanna talk about her Q meanwhile her W has been damage crept the fuck out of in recent years.

Yets4240Mar 1, 20191 votes

Remember when maxed out each proc was only 6% max HP true damage? Now that shit's 14% and she has phantom hit plus more than 50% uptime on stealth during her ult with any CDR.

HochelagaMar 1, 20192 votes

Clueless people complaining about Vayne. Not talking about how easy she is to counter.

She has a bad early game
She's almost defenseless if you caught her offguard
She has to charge guinsoo before actually doing really good damage.
Cannot self defend base when alone
Beyond defenseless against assassins
Once she lost over 40% of her health before the teamfight starts, (such a Nidalee's spear, or any mage spells that hits her) she's beyond useless and will die to anything unless you actually know how to play her.

We're talking about her ultimate that allows her to do that. Let her time to shine, that's what she's good for. It should feel good for Vayne players to be able to do that after all her weaknesses.

Of course there's nothing to say if she's overfed. But that's the same for any fed Carries such as Riven, Fiora etc

SaiannaMar 1, 20192 votes

Ok. Bad early game is common for hyper carries.
"Almost defenseless". She's an ADC, she's supposed to be fully defenseless. But she has condemn AND tumble AND stealth.
No. You can build her without the item and she'd do just fine.
"Cannot defend base".... What the f are you talking about? Maybe make a point how she can't solo dragon or baron, cause why the f not?
Re-read my point 2. She's one of those ADCs that is not defenseless.
Really? Tell me what other ADC after losing half of HP is happy to go teamfighting?

Her ultimate means she has perm-stealth for 10 seconds (or longer). It's not "her time to shine" but her time to murder everything while being invisible. She was FINE without the buff Riot did. She received this buff FOR NO REASON.

She was NOT struggling. She was somewhat healthy, if not actually too strong before she got the buff.

HochelagaMar 1, 20191 votes

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Ok. Bad early game is common for hyper carries.

"Almost defenseless". She's an ADC, she's supposed to be fully defenseless. But she has condemn AND tumble AND stealth.

No. You can build her without the item and she'd do just fine.

"Cannot defend base".... What the f are you talking about? Maybe make a point how she can't solo dragon or baron, cause why the f not?

Re-read my point 2. She's one of those ADCs that is not defenseless.

Really? Tell me what other ADC after losing half of HP is happy to go teamfighting?

Her ultimate means she has perm-stealth for 10 seconds (or longer). It's not "her time to shine" but her time to murder everything while being invisible. She was FINE without the buff Riot did. She received this buff FOR NO REASON.

She was NOT struggling. She was somewhat healthy, if not actually too strong before she got the buff.

All I can see in the forum is low division people complaning about Vayne saying how she can kill you in 3-5 shots. There's a very good reason why very few High elo players don't say a damn thing about Vayne. She's balanced if you actually know how to counter her. Why am I not seing people complaining about MF one 2 shotting you ? Or a Draven that just bites out half of your health in a single hit?

Vayne DOES have hard time farming because of her lack of pokes compared to Caitlyn, Sivir and even Ashe. If your support can't help you much against all the ennemies poke, you're doomed to farm under tower and pray that your jungler will help you.

Vayne has on of the lowest mana pool of all champions. Do you realise that her Condemn cost about 35% of her mana. You CAN'T always to that to save yourself. And beside, that thing is only on 1 target. Vayne CAN'T spam her condemn and it's very hard to actually stun your opponent in the wall if he knows how to counter you.

Vayne without Guinsoo is MEH, she can't burst as fast as you'd like. Guinsoo for Vayne is a major spike power.

Vayne is absolutely Horrible during early game. She doesn't have effective tools to Farm under tower. Her best defensive tool is dodging all the abilities.

Unlike Ezreal that can still poke from afar, or a Sivir that gives a boost movement speed, Ashe that can slow and even stun a someone, or a MF that can combo a team at low health, Vayne is basically useless. Her ultimate is on herself and if she's low, there's not much she can do. She heavily relies on her support during early game.

Vayne was not struggling, i'd give you that. However she was basically getting outclassed by Kai'sa in everypoint. Kai'sa had everything Vayne would want and she's was more reliable.

SaiannaMar 1, 20192 votes

All I can see in the forum is low division people complaning about Vayne saying how she can kill you in 3-5 shots.

high or low division doesn't translate well with game knowledge. You for example are "hurr high division mighty human" but I woudln't trust your balance decisions at all.

She's balanced if you actually know how to counter her.

Why this sooooooo resembles all the bullshit arguments made by YI MAINS, such as "YI is balanced you just need to CC him"?

Why am I not seing people complaining about MF one 2 shotting you ? Or a Draven that just bites out half of your health in a single hit?

You know you just wrote 2 exactly the same examples? Right? But you wanna know why players are fine with MF/Draven and not Vayne?

BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST ATTACK THEM. That simple. MF and Draven have bullshit level of damage, but they can be actually killed. They don't hide for 10+s while shooting at you.

Vayne removes that "counterplay" of allowing enemy to target her. For the duration of her R she gets a free pass to kill anyone. That's why people find her worse than MF/Draven. This is simple logic.

Vayne DOES have hard time farming because of her lack of pokes compared to Caitlyn, Sivir and even Ashe.

Vayne also is a FIGHTER, or DUELIST so she has easier time to kill anyone 1v1, unlike those you wrote. But hey, you only mention how "booo hoo she struggles so much".

If your support can't help you much against all the ennemies poke, you're doomed to farm under tower and pray that your jungler will help you.

News flash, if your support can't cover for your weaknesses then any ADC will fail at some point. Stop creating or enhancing issues that everyone faces to prove your point. Mr high division. what. a. fucking. joke.

Vayne has on of the lowest mana pool of all champions.

Yeah, vayne is also a mage. Right? I'm done. I simply can't read more of the bullshit you wrote. You clearly main vayne and you are either too biased or just too clueless to understand that the buff vayne received was a freebie to lure in whales for new skin relase.

She was above 50% winrate before the buffs.

Whatever. Mr high division dude xD

HochelagaMar 1, 20191 votes

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high or low division doesn't translate well with game knowledge. You for example are "hurr high division mighty human" but I woudln't trust your balance decisions at all.

Why this sooooooo resembles all the bullshit arguments made by YI MAINS, such as "YI is balanced you just need to CC him"?

You know you just wrote 2 exactly the same examples? Right? But you wanna know why players are fine with MF/Draven and not Vayne?

BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE A CHANCE TO AT LEAST ATTACK THEM. That simple. MF and Draven have bullshit level of damage, but they can be actually killed. They don't hide for 10+s while shooting at you.

Vayne removes that "counterplay" of allowing enemy to target her. For the duration of her R she gets a free pass to kill anyone. That's why people find her worse than MF/Draven. This is simple logic.

Vayne also is a FIGHTER, or DUELIST so she has easier time to kill anyone 1v1, unlike those you wrote. But hey, you only mention how "booo hoo she struggles so much".

News flash, if your support can't cover for your weaknesses then any ADC will fail at some point. Stop creating or enhancing issues that everyone faces to prove your point. Mr high division. what. a. fucking. joke.

Yeah, vayne is also a mage. Right? I'm done. I simply can't read more of the bullshit you wrote. You clearly main vayne and you are either too biased or just too clueless to understand that the buff vayne received was a freebie to lure in whales for new skin relase.

She was above 50% winrate before the buffs.

Whatever. Mr high division dude xD

Tell me why high division doesn't translate into game knowledge? As for me, I've been playing since season 2 compared to someone who's been only playing in season 9. I know a whole lot more than you. Yes my high division is also knowledgable because I know a whole lot more game mechanics than you and how to counter them. Riot actually employs diamond ++ players to do game testing because they know how things work.

Master Yi and Vayne can be compared because they do massive damage if they actually go in.

A fed Draven and Miss Fortune is 10 times more dangerous than a fed Vayne. They can both be as dangerous in dueling and even kill you faster than Vayne. The only thing that makes you over dramatise on Vayne, is how often she can use tumble while invisible. She's not invincible during that time, you can still hit her. If she's invisible next to an amumu, He can still ult her. AOE abilities gets her.

Even if supports can't protect every ADCs, there's plenty of safe adc that can still safely farm. Ezreal is the perfect example.

Not only Vayne has above 50% win rate.

MF has been over 50% for over a year Jinx is currently at 54% Sivir is getting more popular and is sitting at 53%

anyway you're just in denial so I think i'm just gonna stop there

Craft ZeppelinMar 2, 20191 votes

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Tell me why high division doesn't translate into game knowledge? As for me, I've been playing since season 2 compared to someone who's been only playing in season 9. I know a whole lot more than you. Yes my high division is also knowledgable because I know a whole lot more game mechanics than you and how to counter them. Riot actually employs diamond ++ players to do game testing because they know how things work.

Master Yi and Vayne can be compared because they do massive damage if they actually go in.

A fed Draven and Miss Fortune is 10 times more dangerous than a fed Vayne. They can both be as dangerous in dueling and even kill you faster than Vayne. The only thing that makes you over dramatise on Vayne, is how often she can use tumble while invisible. She's not invincible during that time, you can still hit her. If she's invisible next to an amumu, He can still ult her. AOE abilities gets her.

Even if supports can't protect every ADCs, there's plenty of safe adc that can still safely farm. Ezreal is the perfect example.

Not only Vayne has above 50% win rate.

MF has been over 50% for over a year Jinx is currently at 54% Sivir is getting more popular and is sitting at 53%

anyway you're just in denial so I think i'm just gonna stop there

Because those ADC don't have a fucking problem even when they are ahead.

PrinceOfStormsMar 1, 20193 votes

She has a bad early game

Not with Hail of Blades. HoB Vayne is a lane bully. AA Q AA wins pretty much every trade.

She's almost defenseless if you caught her offguard

Unless you can chain CC her, no, because she just presses R and is invisible forever.

Cannot self defend base when alone

Not if she builds Shiv. In which case she has insane waveclear.

Beyond defenseless against assassins

If by beyond defenseless you mean "has the best defense in the game because you can't be targeted while invisible" you'd be correct.

Once she lost over 40% of her health before the teamfight starts, (such a Nidalee's spear, or any mage spells that hits her) she's beyond useless and will die to anything unless you actually know how to play her.

Vayne's Q needs to set the crit chance of her next AA to 0%, and her R stealth needs to be downgraded to camouflage. Or the same Q change but the buff should be reverted.