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Which would counter both Fiora and Wukong?

Øathbetrayer··6 votes·1,744 views

I have trouble with aggressive gap closer champions on Vlad. I can beat any other kind with ease even swains and fiddlesticks. I however can not beat Wukong or Fiora. Which champion would counter both of these? I am looking at jax, he counters Fiora but not Wukong?

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L0ve Is Blue3 votes

Lissandra can root champions that gap close her and then kite with her Q

TeemoJenkins2 votes

Fiora's best counter is counter play - if you have the weak point facing her, zone it... with WuKong I'll pink my top bush closest to tower so when he cheeses me with his clones I see him coming. Garen and Darius do well pre-3 against both, but go even after everyone has their abilities.

Killer of Poros2 votes

Pantheon can both keep them down but you're still on a timer since they will both out scale you hard late.

FurretHasAGlock1 votes

idk who counters both simutaniously, maybe teemo (satan) because of the onhit portion of their kits (they each have one)

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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idk who counters both simutaniously, maybe teemo (satan) because of the onhit portion of their kits (they each have one)

teemo counters fiora. but not wukong. wukong is a big problem for teemo. teemo would just get all ined after level 6 every time

Fat Bastard GOD1 votes

Nasus. Survive early on and you outscale both of them hard. Nasus builds armor first, while Vlad doesn't. In general, playing Vlad or Nasus versus Fiora/Wukong you should avoid fighting them early until you get a first item. On Nasus versus Fiora/Wukong, I like to take Cloth 4 with Grasp of the Undying for massive sustain. If you feel like they are going to bully you non stop or inexperienced with Nasus, Corrupting Potion is a must have. Rush Glacial Shroud for CDR and mana, or if you are behind, Warden's Mail. Buy Sheen after Frozen Heart and if you are both even, chances are they cannot duel you. Avoid Fiora's true damage healing ultimate though, try to bait it if possible.

Happy stacking with Susan.

Maple Crusader1 votes

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Nasus. Survive early on and you outscale both of them hard. Nasus builds armor first, while Vlad doesn't. In general, playing Vlad or Nasus versus Fiora/Wukong you should avoid fighting them early until you get a first item. On Nasus versus Fiora/Wukong, I like to take Cloth 4 with Grasp of the Undying for massive sustain. If you feel like they are going to bully you non stop or inexperienced with Nasus, Corrupting Potion is a must have. Rush Glacial Shroud for CDR and mana, or if you are behind, Warden's Mail. Buy Sheen after Frozen Heart and if you are both even, chances are they cannot duel you. Avoid Fiora's true damage healing ultimate though, try to bait it if possible.

Happy stacking with Susan.

If your team doesn't fall apart by 10 min of course.

Fat Bastard GOD1 votes

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If your team doesn't fall apart by 10 min of course.

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean.

Moll2 votes

I think he means no amount of farm nasus has will save the game when the enemy team is at your nexus 10 mins in.

HEAljvLykd1 votes

Yorick

Axests1 votes

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Yorick

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Dominick Destine1 votes

I'm going to say Darius, but not sure.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

if i had to guess top lane. probably nasus or something like that. garen. any juggernaut

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Jax doesn't counter Fiora...infact she outdamages him hard early game and can negate his E aswell as stunning him.

Wukong is actually a bad laner...champs like Renekton, Garen, Darius, Trundle, Olaf, etc...all destroy him. Fiora doesn't have many hard matchups but there is nothing she can do vs Trundle.

Dar Raksada2 votes

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Jax doesn't counter Fiora...infact she outdamages him hard early game and can negate his E aswell as stunning him.

Wukong is actually a bad laner...champs like Renekton, Garen, Darius, Trundle, Olaf, etc...all destroy him. Fiora doesn't have many hard matchups but there is nothing she can do vs Trundle.

Jac actually has the advantage in the matchup. Fiora needs to get lucky/Jax needs to be really predictable for fiora to parry him. His e allows him to either ignore most of fiora's damage in short trades, as well as turning it into a longer trade if fiora tries to parry. His wardhop allows him to easily disengage if fiora ults, and he outdamages her (at least in shorter trades) at 6.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Lol...this is just nonsense...I have played that matchup atleast 20 times. Fiora completely destroys Jax...she can dash out of his E or stun him with her W. She does ALOT more damage than him at any level. The moment Jax completes Rageblade he beats her if he hasnt fallen too far behind.

LegitBusinessman1 votes

Nasus is my 4th most played champ and I'm going to be completely honest, you can outscale wukong hard but there is no such thing as outscaling a Fiora. She has a massive power spike around levels 2 that starts to taper off around level 18 so yeah. %health true, guaranteed crits, not happening. For Fiora I'd try trundle maybe?

Sire Hippington1 votes

renekton, darius, shen, probably sion...most tanky champos with a good early. However, fiora will outscale any other champ eventually 1v1, so those champs work vs her early in lane, but sooner or later you will reach a point where you can no longer splitpush vs her. The maincounter vs fiora is surviving lane and knowing when the right time to team up is.

Lisandra works great vs fiora as her gapcloseing range is pretty short and liss has instant cc that can't reliably get blocked by her W, but any good wu will kill liss in lane.

Boxpencil1 votes

Darius and Renekton hard counters wu. Disregard Teemo because Wu counters teemo.

Dar Raksada1 votes

Yasuo works really well against fiora, or at least he did before preseason. Yasuo's e means your vital won't be hit much. Your passive shields you from her poke/wins short engages for you, the 10sec tornadocharge means she has to guess with her parry (once you see him cast the tornado it's usually too late to parry, or you can e>q which makes it really hard to hit the parry even if she guesses correctly about when you'll use it.) The main danger is her ult.

Saianna1 votes

I heard Darius is pretty good against those 2

Zoomer Darius1 votes

Darius can absolutely shitstomp Wukong if you go tanky first, and with Fiora it really comes down to a coin toss, but Darius can definitely win it, and hard.

KING ATTILA1 votes

Trynda

Kaioko1 votes

Jax counters the old fiora not the new one. Honestly Wukong and Fiora are pretty different in their playstyles so using the same champion is probably not the best idea. Going an early game bully like pantheon, renekton, or darius though is pretty good against both of these though.

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Lulu shes played top for a reason, shield/ult + slow + CC or speed up making her & her poke ability very strong against them. Also her E reveals stealth if he tries to while marked.

AlwaysByMySide1 votes

I've done well against both with Darius and Tryndamere.

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