Caitlyns role taken by Jhin?

SakuraTheMedic··3 votes·1,387 views

I don't know if this has been posted yet but I personally want to discuss your thoughts on this because i think that Cait is now totally overshadowed by Jhin cause he fills the role of a sniper much better than her.

The champion spotlight also shows that Jhin can be miles away to kill his targets, and i think that this should be a feature that Caitlyn should have or don't you agree?

i also feel like their passives, traps, and ults are somehow similar (please don't come at me for that opinion) its just that i want to see what other people think of this and if I'm alone with this opinion. Thank you in advance for your opinions (i hope this is the right board to post it in)

20 Comments

Ralanr1 votes

He fills the thematic role better with his ult. That's all.

ThePartyLeader1 votes

You can't compare abilities. You have to compare play styles.

Otherwise why not remove jayce since he is just nidalee since that have ranged poke in a ranged form and transform into a Melee champion with gap closers and burst?

9kPluzZ1 votes

Caitlyn is seige/dps like a adc should be, also she has a escape and can zone with traps. Jhin is more opportunistic and bursty and can't siege nearly as well. Caitlyn has a certain niche still, with her trap zoning and super long range.

Princess Emma1 votes

The only thing alike about them I would say is that their traps augment their abilities and their ults are long range, that's it.

Their passives barely seem alike to each other at all. It looks closer to graves because of the reload mechanic.

Jhin's traps by themselves would resemble Teemo's shrooms more, but of course toned down. It arms, goes into stealth and provide vision. Any enemy unit(not just champions(?)) that steps on it causes it to detonate, cause a slow, and effect other units nearby.

His ult can be dodged unlike Caitlyn's, but it can be blocked just like her own as well.

I am sure their play styles are different.

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

first of all ty for your reply but i don't understand how it should be similar to graves? just because of the reload mechanic? I thought its similar to Caitlyns passive because its a crit after x times autoattacking? as i understood from the spotlight its the same with Jhin. Normally i would say that its the same for some other champions ( just a reworked passive of some other champ) but I just thought they have more similarities so yeah .-.

Princess Emma1 votes

Not completely like Graves of course, I just personally think that his passive would be more similar to Graves than Caitlyn only because of the reload mechanic. Graves and Jihn's passive aren't exactly similar. Only thing about them is the fact that they reload.

MrBuffington1 votes

I don't think there's enough playtime on Jhin to really come to conclusions (he's not even released yet; Yes, I've played him on PBE and have some sense of his style, but there are going to be a lot of new things people figure out when he's released; I mostly played him in 1v1s, so I don't really know how he interacts in teamfights)

This being said, I don't think he overshadows her. Yes, Jhin feels more like a sniper than Caitlyn, but Caitlyn isn't really a sniper. If we're talking military, Caitlyn's more of a rifle(wo)man, where yes she has long range, but also a lot more versatility and consistent damage, where Jhin focuses more on preparation and very impactful single shots from long range, like an actual sniper. If we're talking theme/fantasy, Caitlyn's a sheriff, not a sniper. She uses a rifle, which is why she has long range, and she's a sharp-shooter/has good aim, but that doesn't mean she's a sniper. A sniper lies in wait for their target and takes them out with precise, high powered shots; they're basically an assassin that works from super long range. This is arguably why Xerath is classified as an assassin secondary.

They have some similarities in their kit as far as range and traps and such, but I think there will be enough differences in how they play that there isn't that much overlap. Caitlyn is a solid ADC in almost any circumstance; Jhin feels much more specialized and will have significant strengths as well as weaknesses. With Jhin, especially if you want to maximize his range, you're going to need at least one other consistant damage source on your team; Caitlyn isn't exactly a hypercarry, but she is much better at being a consistent damage source than Jhin. I think Caitlyn (if played properly) will still have much more lane presence than Jhin because of the consistent damage and the long AA range (also better waveclear).

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

Thank you for your detailed reply [zombie-nunu-hearts] I think you have some pretty good arguments .-. Oh well I'm not a weapon specialist so I didnt see the difference ( SORRY) but actually you are right. I just saw her as the "Sniper-adc" if you compared her playstyle to other marksmen so I thought that Jhin actually fills the "Sniper" role better with his (stupid) high ranged skills. As you said only time can tell and he isn't even released yet sooo.... But thx again

MrBuffington1 votes

Yea, I mean cait was the closest thing to a sniper before jhin, so you're not the only one to think that, I thought the same honestly

EDIT: Typos, I wrote this on my phone as I woke up

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

Well after a few games my impression is that he has obvious weaknesses ( I believe cait is a more "solid" pick) but the role of a sniper is actually somehow better filled by him .-. I don't like that but oh well [Jhin not in the fight but is in the fight wth]

MrBuffington1 votes

Well, his influence from long range is still somewhat limited. I personally think he's doing too much damage, but that's probably going to get tuned. It's somewhat similar to Xerath or any other champion with a global/semi-global skillshot, where they influence the fight from a very long range, but it isn't as much as if they were actually in the fight. Jhin's W has a very narrow hitbox as well as an indicator and decent delay, not to mention a medium cooldown as far as basic abilities go. Outside his ultimate (which also has a long cooldown), that's his only way of influencing a fight from long range unless he's had time to set up traps immediately beforehand.

And that was the point; Caitlyn isn't supposed to be a sniper, people (including myself) basically gave her the role because she was the best fit at the time. Realistically, Caitlyn was more of a sharp-shooter, firing quick, accurate shots from long range. Riot wanted to make an actual sniper, so now we have Jhin, where he actually fits the role of a sniper and not just someone with long range.

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

I'm going to answer this tomorrow.-. Your replies are so detailed I have to take my time for that and I need my Pc for that!

MrBuffington1 votes

lol no worries, sorry for the walls of text

Lugg1 votes

I totally agree with you. Jhin has the long range poke with bonus damage every fourth shot (plus bonus MS!), MUCH better traps, additional poke from his grenade, and his ult gives you FOUR shots versus Caits one. His kit gives him better kiting potential than Cait.

I don't see why anyone would pick Cait if Jhin was available.

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

Right? That's what I thought at first too! I was like who will pick Caitlyn now .-. I'm still pretty pressed that Jhin has a ult like that but oh well....don't know it's similar but it's not similar at the Same time so Idk what to think but after I played some games against and with Jhin in my team I got to observe more so you can see the difference actually but cait lost her "u are 100 miles away but she can still kill you" trademark (if you can call it that (idk I'm not from an English speaking country sorry for any mistakes))

Wickedfates1 votes

they are taking all the old champs that people like and making newer updated versions of them rather than just destroying the player base for the older champs over night.... its a good move for revenue, it will keep older players tied to older champs buying the skins and getting many other players as well as older, to buy the newer skins for newer more expensive champs as they go....

this is the new revenue model, and it works for them very well

Quepha1 votes

Caitlyn in the game has never been a great sniper. Her ult is ok at finishing off low targets but most of her kit is about doing more adc-like things (dealing sustained damage to the front line from safety) and her ult is really better off any time a squishy gets out of position and you think the shot won't get blocked since a low health target will probably have to 'b' and her team can push during the 5v4.

People think Jhin overshadows Caitlyn because she has a sniper rifle, but she actually has a completely different space from him. Jhin's role is closer to champs like Lux, Xerath, or Ziggs.

SakuraTheMedic1 votes

Yeah I get what you mean. I got to observe a few games with Jhin and I get your point. It's just too early to get a good opinion now .-. But ty for replying

Gunpoint1 votes

He honestly just looks and feels like a Caitlyn rework

Flintlock1 votes

Thematically, I think Caitlyn and Jhin are very different.

Caitlyn is not a sniper. If anything, she is a trapper. After the Caitlyn rework, it seemed Riot wanted to push her in that direction by adding more emphasis with her traps, giving Caitlyn added range and damage to people who step on her traps and get caught in her net.

So what is a trapper? A person who uses traps (Caitlyn's W) and other equipment like nets (Caitlyn's E) to capture or kill their prey. Trappers also use some type of rifle or hunting rifle (Caitlyn's weapon) that allow the trapper to fire from a long distance to pick off their prey. (Caitlyn's AA range, passive and Ult)

Jhin on the other hand appears to be a weapons expert. He seems well versed in the multiple weapons that he uses. He has a hand cannon , grenades and is able to transform his hand cannon (Whisper) into a shoulder-mounted mega cannon which allows him to execute people at an extreme distance.

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