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Zoe 8.4 Nerf

AlAkhubar··9 votes·5,844 views

This is my first time creating a discussion and its only for one reason: Zoe. Patch 8.4 was the patch Zoe mains werent looking forward to. Here is my opinion on the topic, Zoe is a champ designed to do high damage based on her Q and R (+ E) combo and by gutting her damage by 20% is kinda disheartening. I understand her spell thief problems but she shouldnt have been gutted 20% but maybe 15% or 10%. The day after patch 8.4 I tested out the new Zoe and shes down right garbage. It feels like a vital champion in the team turned into a girl who throws water at you. She cant clear wave any easier, her three spellthief orbs are once again useless, and her meta S class dropped to a weak class. In 8.4 they should’ve entirely removed her or never brang her into league because of everyone’s expectations. People who play her, and just enjoy her skill shot capability are left hurt because I’m somewhat hurt. No I dont want her to be insanely over powered but what she is now, is useless. Riots balancing team is a team designed to make up for the garbage and mistakes the champion creation team does. Riot once again sucks in people to the op champ so that they buy their skin and then gut the champ after low elo players complain. They even made a “Goodbye Zoe Emote” which rubs it in Zoe mains faces and discourages us. In my conclusion Zoe was op but gutting her so hard so that she’s useless is kinda unbelievable and over rushed. I started playing league last summer and now I’m experiencing the nerfing and bs of league. It was fun while it lasted.

9 Comments

lolipopevelynn5 votes

O% rule number 1 is dont touch a burst mage's dmg. Main reason ppl bitched is because there is no counter play to her E. If they removed the trap radius it left on the ground completely then ppl wouldn't have complained this hard.

hsojbabe1 votes

Riot will eventually make her good cause ATM she's hard to balance. Just note when she was first released, Zoe dealt over 2k dmg with a standard build. She will be left weak but since she is fairly popular I think Zoe mains shouldn't worry too much

AlAkhubar2 votes

I’ve noticed that her popularity dropped a ton (I forgot the site maybe meta). I don’t want to worry but I dont want to wait 2-3 months or patches to get her barely fixed. The way to balance her is to gut her Q and R combo (basically without the drowsy affect she should only do enough damage to wave) so that she cant potshot and chunk you for half your health but so it chunks you a quarter a third I don’t know but the way she is right now is disheartening me.

PeachyBubbleStar2 votes

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Riot will eventually make her good cause ATM she's hard to balance. Just note when she was first released, Zoe dealt over 2k dmg with a standard build. She will be left weak but since she is fairly popular I think Zoe mains shouldn't worry too much

she really isn't hard to balance at all... the only thing they need to do is return her passive aoe damage on Q because that's the only thing that's making her straight up useless in every situation including team fights, waveclear, csing etc... every other nerf (AS A ZOE MAIN) i saw as reasonable and fine, but after trying to hard to be good as her after these nerfs, it was clear to me that that is the only reason why she is garbage now. They either need to reverse this nerf, or add SOME of the damage back to the aoe more sparkles bonus damage, also her w missiles need to be SLIGHTLY buffed or something cuz they're downright useless(iv'e had multiple times where those missiles would get an enemy down to 1(LITERALLY 1% HEALTH) and then they walk away scratch free cuz the stupid things are as useless as ahris w damage (it's basically the same ability except ahris is slightly better)

lilpokfluf1 votes

Yes exactly, I honestly think the Q nerf is fine for champions. Her waveclear getting hit is what's making her feel like crap to play. If anyone at any point tries to all in and you land bubble you can still one shot them especially if you have W available.

PeachyPosterior1 votes

I think most of the frustration came from her easy ability to 100-0 her enemies and her often her stun was up was a bit spammy.

She's meant to be a high crowd control and high damage champion.

She needs her AOE back against minions. Not against champs because it's supposed to be a skillshot so it should only really effect the first champion hit.

She needs more damage for getting her E-Q-R-Q combo right. In return they should put longer cool downs on her E and R so that her enemy has a better chance to harass her if she misses them.

I know Riot said they wanted to over nerf her but they really did just completely gut her.

PeachyBubbleStar2 votes

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I think most of the frustration came from her easy ability to 100-0 her enemies and her often her stun was up was a bit spammy.

She's meant to be a high crowd control and high damage champion.

She needs her AOE back against minions. Not against champs because it's supposed to be a skillshot so it should only really effect the first champion hit.

She needs more damage for getting her E-Q-R-Q combo right. In return they should put longer cool downs on her E and R so that her enemy has a better chance to harass her if she misses them.

I know Riot said they wanted to over nerf her but they really did just completely gut her.

well let me just say, she isn't high crowd control... at all actually... Crowd Control is CC, cc/crowd control are things such as Sleeps,Stuns, Snares,Slows blablabla so basically she isn't high cc or honestly cc at all... She has 1 single cc ability and it isn't something you can just point click and land... it's a skill shot with a trap, and that trap is super easy to avoid. Also the cc only applies to a single champion so she barely has any cc at all, she's just a simple squishy high burst mage with some assassin qualities (but as of right now she's a walking trash can and they should return her original aoe more sparkles bonus damage because as a zoe main, iv'e realized that's the only thing making her complete trash, all the other nerfs are reasonable to me)

Netorare1 votes

Skill shot burst mages should stay how they are because if you nerf their dmg they cant do shit. You dont want to get one shot? Just dodge the skill shot...dont stay near the damn walls.

lilpokfluf1 votes

I think you Zoe "mains" are complaining about the wrong thing. The biggest nerf she got was to her wave clear, it's obvious and it feels terrible at most stages of the game. Her damage to champions is fine now, everyone complained about damage so they toned it down to balance her. Her current state is bad and it's due to her waveclear being gutted.

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