Last Wisper VS Void Staff

Mr P0PO·11/28/2015, 12:05:16 PM·2 votes·1,267 views

Here is the question : item 3035 : % Bonus Armor Penetration item 3135 : % Magic Penetration

Whyyy ????

Karthus Kassadin Ahri Azir Ekko Fizz Katarina Leblanc Nidalee Shaco = Insane damages with item 3135 if the target has no bonus mr.

Khazix MasterYi Nocturne Talon Zed MonkeyKing Yasuo = 0 additionnal damages with item 3035 passive if the target has no bonus armor

So... APs can melt squishies, but ADs are not allowed to ? I did the math hahem :

item 3151 item 3020 item 3135 +runes + masteries = 49 flat + 41 % reduc. => If you have 80 MR, incoming damage is multiplied by ~101,77% : A little more than true damage (+item 3001 and close range => ~112% better than true damages)

item 3142 item 3156 item 3033 +runes +masteries = 49flat +47% Bonus reduc. => If you have 80 Armor & 0 bonus armor, incoming damage is multiplied by ~76.33%

Almost **25% less **damage !!! That's a huge hidden nerf...

Oh, and more :

  • Average Armor at Level 18 : **83.36 **
  • Average MR at Level 18 : 41.40

To finish : For base Armor = 80 and for Bonus armor = 0 to 300 =>On average 18.45% damage nerf (compared to full amor Pene). yay.

And just for fun : With : item 3151 item 3020 item 3135item 3001 If the enemy has 30 MR => ~130% damage multiplier: Shaco 'E + backstab + item 3089 item 3285 ~600AP => ~1700 true damage If the enemy has 53.35 MR => ~123% damage multiplier

Am I missing something ?

16 Comments

venomous frost11/28/2015, 2:07:22 PM1 votes

Am I missing something ?

  • abilities do not have a 1:1 scaling, unlike AA
  • ap abilities are not able to crit
  • ad items got a huge ad buff, along with free stats like cdr, mages do not get free cdr item 3508
  • LW can be upgraded to either deal GW, or extra % damage.
Wind Whistler11/28/2015, 9:03:13 PM1 votes

Void staff isn't for killing squishies...

EcchiOtakuTM11/28/2015, 9:31:37 PM1 votes

First off with the LW nerf being only a tank killing item I love it it gave snowballers too much of a powerspike for consistant damage throughout a teamfight however I want to suggest 19 and 20 to compensate them

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/yYBm9rXq-i-honestly-love-the-changes-placed-in-however-i-as-well-as-many-have-a-few-suggestions

Renaille11/28/2015, 9:34:55 PM1 votes

item 3156 item 3071 item 3142

7ha7guy77712/3/2015, 3:07:23 AM1 votes

If your opponent doesn't buy mr and is a squishy, void staff is not cost efficient. 15 mpen = 560 gold (sorc shoes are 1100, 45 movement speed is 540 gold) Mpen is 37.33 gold per point With 42 mr (ranged base + mr glyphs) void staff gives 14.7 mpen Void staff costs 2650 gold. It gives 1740 gold in ap. In order for it to hit 100% efficiency your target needs 73 magic resist.

Having mpen beyond the enemy mr does not increase the damage you do. Reducing your target's mr to less than 0 does. Most mages won't have more than 7.8 mpen from runes because the 14.5 mpen from quints and cdr or mr from glyphs are better early game. That leaves mages at 37.8 mpen+ 35% +7% ignored mr with guise + sorc shoes. This is plenty of mpen to drop any champion without mr from anything other than glyphs to effectively no mr.

TL;DR both % pen items are only cost effective against champions that actually build defensive stats