Riot give singed a buff/change?

Dryden814·5/30/2017, 4:38:45 PM·33 votes·3,999 views

Riot has been giving buffs/changes to champions with unique playstles and low playrates lately. Like: Aatrox Heimerdinger Udyr and now Kindred in the next patch.

So what about singed? He's been doing horrible in the last few patchs,and he's just really bad to play against all these extremely mobile champions popping up. A singed has to use ulti+ghost+ righteous glory just to catch a squishy now a days,and then they just flash or jump away,because let's be honest this is Season 7 almost only meta champs are played and they all have either 1-2 abillitys to jump with ~7second cooldowns. And his dmg is disgustingly bad and now with the release of adaptive helm his dmg is little to nothing, aswell as his abillity to soak dmg which he should be able to do since he's supposed to be a tanky disruptive teamfighting champion.

So hopefully,this will be seen by riot and give Singed a buff,because his winrate will just continue to fall if he stays at this state.

EDIT: Singed changes are coming hopefully there good! Fuck yesssssss! EDIT2: http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/05/531-pbe-update.html?m=1#balance Hopefully that earlygame ulti duration doesn't stay like that... jesus

52 Comments

Joseraph5/31/2017, 1:22:35 AM12 votes

Fixes for Singed:

  1. Give him a better passive. They buffed Rammus' to not feel like an invisible passive, why can't they do the same to Singed?
  2. Make W a grounded effect. It's literally glue all over the ground, it makes more sense than Cass's E to have a grounded effect.
  3. Make his ult feel like it does something. I don't know why, but it also feels like invisible power. Maybe give it a speed boost when chasing enemies, or empower his poison trail, or %damage reduction, just make it do something. All it is is stats.
Troll for Trump5/30/2017, 9:18:05 PM6 votes

Ok the problem is singed's unique playstyle is toxic, so they can't buff him. If they rework him, the few singed onetricks could easily get pissed off, because, they don't have issues with singed.

What sucks is trying to learn how to play singed.

Riot wants to discourage you playing singed just as they did with old aatrox, azir, and kalista; they may be unique, but it isn't a good unique

Meep Man5/30/2017, 8:54:35 PM4 votes

I really wish they would look into his Passive, W, and R. Change nothing about his Q and E unless needed, but look into those three.

Silver Singed5/31/2017, 6:58:29 PM2 votes

There are a lot of things you can do to buff Singed's raw power, but that don't really fix the main problem for the people who like to main him.

Singed players aren't interested in being an unstoppable engage derptank like malph or mao. We want to primarily be split pushers and map-wide disruptors. In short, we want to be chased and we want the enemy to have to invest time and cooldowns to chase us. We want to be an unstoppable force of map pressure.

For this, there needs to be a legitimate lure to being chased, and we need to be good at escaping.

A few ideas more along this line (which is to say maybe some but not all)

Ideas that focus on baiting a chase:

  1. Improve our ability to take towers so that leaving us alone in a lane is punished with objectives
  2. Consider a mechanic discouraging the enemy from letting us free / proxy farm. For example, a passive that slowly stacks our health on minion kills instead of a passive that converts Mana to health.
  3. Possibly allow us to disrupt the enemy jungle by making it easier for us to steal camps
  4. Consider adding a % health damage to minions in our poison that allows us to take them more quickly later in the game without being forced to build AP. This would free up our time to disrupt as we please (such as taking enemy jungle camps, harassing the jungle directly, TP ganks, etc)

Ideas that focus on escaping the chase:

  1. Improved damage on poison trail that scales into the late game without forcing us to build full AP items. Make AP item purchases more for utility than pure damage. (I.e. rylai's). Please ensure that this is not too punishing for Squishies but still meaningful to bruisers.
  2. Allow us to cast goo without stopping to cast. This would allow us to use it to slow champions with targeted dashes without worrying that the cast time might get us in range for their targeted dash.
  3. Slow resistance, OR tenacity somewhere in the kit.
  4. Better innate ability to tank... Especially when outnumbered.

Obviously all of these things together would make singed vastly overpowered. But the focus here shouldn't be on a derptank engages. It should be on making singed feel like a slippery mad scientist that ruins all your best laid plans.

Asayake 5150glow5/30/2017, 9:36:45 PM2 votes

I would love a clarity buff to his Q, it's so hard to see rn. And maybe a rework of the poison, the way it works right now is kinda dumb (touching it once every 2 seconds means you take just as much damage as fucking bathing in it).

Same with Karthus too.

I'd also like to see him pushed into the role of a teamfighter, like maybe have his R give scaling resists so he can't run around you and outdamage you in a 1v1 even if you aren't chasing him.

Bonipherus5/31/2017, 1:02:06 AM2 votes
CatSith5/31/2017, 3:26:40 PM2 votes

Hes not even doing that bad lol.

Eedat5/30/2017, 7:14:04 PM2 votes

This is pretty irrelevant to the thread, but theres one thing that bothering me.

unique playstles

Aatrox

Aatrox is just a shittier version of Jax without debilitating mana costs. There's some differences sure, but they share far too much to ignore

Udyr

Plays practically the same as jungle Shyvana

Uhhhhhhhh..... Ignore this comment

banthor115/30/2017, 11:39:47 PM1 votes

Singed is always just one good move speed item away from going from underplayed to "WHAT HAVE WE DONE!" I truly miss Force of Nature.

Always figured, if i picked up my old, old main, I would use Phantom Dancer + Death's Dance (the IP health regen would probably counter the bleed) to replicate the old Insanity Potion, throw in a Liandry's and tank up in the other slots.

paisy5/31/2017, 3:20:22 PM1 votes

A singed that fast will catch up to any target even if they flash or dash away

Sp33d Zer05/30/2017, 8:32:04 PM1 votes

My ranked 5s team has a singed top main, and he is doing pretty well. I don't think he needs that much love.

ldsjm45/31/2017, 2:00:47 AM1 votes

Please understand that this is just my opinion, I've only done 4 placement games (won 3) so I'm probably bronze 3-2 so I understand that my opinion means very little,

this is my view on singed (I only have rank mastery 5 on him, trying to get 6 and 7, wish me luck!)

Here's the TL:DR

Pros Pretty good at splitpushing decent farming under-tower meaning that his tower can usually stay for a long time Fling is a very good ability Poison Trail, just Poison Trail, mind games, deceptive damage, and punishment Ultimate, definitely could use work, but raw stats are powerful (granted not really engaging and all that stuff)

Cons Passive, I'll get to this in a second He loses lane against, I'd say at least 90% of top laners (not that he gets crushed, but he just won't be dominating or getting a bunch of kills, it's hard for to go even, much less get ahead) His adhesive just feels like a worthless ability, I understand the combo with the fling, but since slow doesn't feel impactful, he has to stop for a moment to use it, and his damage is from his poison trail and not from auto attacks so he can't use it to catch up and wallop on them, just lead them.

Now I guess I'll just talk through my opinion on everything (sorry if this makes little sense/has no flow/doesn't help you in the slightest)

Part of me wants them to not change Singed, I like playing him and knowing that very few other people play him decently well, adding to the "how do I play against this guy?" factor to the opponent. Changing him would be bringing him to people's attentions, for better or worse, and will make him more frequent.

However, I don't believe that a champion should buy 3 dark seals and have that be the "viable" build for early game. I understand why and it's synergy, but I feel that it's wrong/weird that a champ buys 3 of a starting item so that they do better. (again, I understand the reason and everything, just something that doesn't sit right with me). Here are what I believe is the main problem with singed.

Hidden Power

We have quite a few champs around now that have very visible and defining things, we know that some abilities and passive are shown to be either deadly or powerful as well as being a defining feature that we notice when we think of that champion (Fizz's Playful/Trickster, Jhin's 4th shot, Yasuo's double crit and dash). With Singed, you think of his poison trail and fling. Which, while those are what should be his defining characteristics, but they are backed up by his passive and ultimate so well (and even his W although it pains me to say that).

his passive is one of the worst passives in the game, but it helps him so much. Free stats are annoying and usually unnoticeable, which he 25% mana to health is definitely unnoticeable, but it gives him so much extra bulk. While you can balance him to give him that as just his base health, when you buy a righteous glory or for those who but rod of ages (I don't but some people might), that's free health. I feel that the passive definitely needs a change, but don't think that it's worthless.

Next is his ult, this ultimate is extremely powerful, but it has the same faults as his passive, it's free stats and not really noticeable (granted the cracking of glass/snow machine + the movement speed helps a tiny bit, but they don't show the stat buff). It can save his skin in so many circumstances, but it doesn't look the part of an ultimate at all.

I honestly don't have any real ideas on changes, if you give him a game-changing passive or ult they may have to change his whole kit, which I don't want.

His Q and E are his defining abilities, they don't need many changes, they would need to find a passive and an ultimate with equal power to what he has.

Sorry if this didn't do much, just me trying to explain why he's a bit tricky to balance. Granted I could be entirely wrong and not know a thing.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE5/31/2017, 4:36:09 AM1 votes

gimme him some increase potion duration and make all his ability count as potion .

ThePikol5/31/2017, 6:16:20 AM1 votes
Sun Wu Ryuumoku5/30/2017, 9:08:59 PM1 votes

Riot has been giving buffs to champions with unique playstles and low playrates lately.

BS. Unique playstyle ???

They weren't buff for Aatrox Kindred... it was rework.

sirwaterfles5/31/2017, 7:58:23 AM1 votes

Mega adhesive should be grounded.

Jerry SeinfeId5/30/2017, 10:08:08 PM1 votes

then stop being a metacuck that builds righteous glory. item 3027, item 3116, resistance item unless fed, item 3151 w/e you feel like.

There's no point in building singed as an engage tank in low elo.

some ideas that might make him better:

  • Turn his bonus resistances from ult into Damage reduction
  • NEW PASSIVE (this will also stop people from crying how i'm a moron for not building item 3003 ) i'd like to see it scale with both mana and AP or mana and HP.
  • Give him some extra base movement speed
  • Give his poison an extra tic
  • upgrade surfer singed to a legendary
  • delete augmented singed

What shouldn't happen IMO:

  • Rework Singed's kit.
  • Turn him into a FULL tank
  • Add like a slow to his poison (i've seen this suggested, but i think rylai's stats are quite good on singed but it would be a wasted item then)
  • Force him to be proxy Singed (I'm a lane Singed, I never had success as proxy and have been stomping since i started laning so pls don't. i'm sure i'm not the only one)

I think while singed can be a tank he should be an AP tank/ ap bruiser if not an AP juggernaut (a fast one tho). I don't understand what's even fun about building him full tank. I will admit my winrate on singed probably has to do with being lower elo, but i honestly believe building LCS singed in low elo is a waste of your time. I can only see your bronze icon so i went with that as info, if you in fact are high elo but need an NA account for some reason i'm sorry.

GULAG 4 U5/30/2017, 10:24:41 PM1 votes

Aatrox isn't unique. They just took the best out of multiple champions and slapped them together making aatrox.