Hunters talisman shouldn't be mandatory to upgrade jg item

SaltedSteak·Nov 23, 2015·14 votes·1,257 views

Forcing a Jungler who doesnt use mana , or isnt very mana hungry to buy an item that primarily gives mana regen in order to upgrade their jungle item seems dumb to me

14 Comments

Lintu PuckNov 23, 20159 votes

just because an item has mana attached to it doesn't make it immediately pointless to have on a non-mana champ. -.-

SasogwaNov 23, 20158 votes

Well even if talisman grants manaregen, it also grants things you want, like health steal and bonus exp on monster (cumulable with the one from machete)

Espy PsycheNov 23, 20154 votes

Or just reduce the combine cost to zero.

Reducing the combine cost to zero would effectively mean "the upgrade is 350g" to anyone who doesn't need Talisman (or Machete).

JalkanNov 23, 20151 votes

It would actually mean the upgrade is 350 to everyone.

RisenDarkKnightNov 23, 20153 votes

Uh every jungle item has had mana regen attached since they started making jungle items. They just separated the lifesteal part. IMO that's a buff to mana less junglers since they aren't spending any of their 500 starting gold on mana regen. But completed jungle items always had some mana regen.

Prospector PeteNov 23, 20151 votes

But then how would junglers that start out talisman build into the upgraded jungle item?

SaltedSteakNov 23, 20152 votes

have different build paths, like the support item can go with or without sightstone

UberAffeNov 23, 20153 votes

2 seperate build paths for the same item. Machete to jungle item and Talisman to jungle item.

PDE5 InhibitorsNov 23, 20152 votes

Have three different jungle items. One for mana, one for lifesteal, one for both.

Professor WardNov 23, 20155 votes

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Have three different jungle items. One for mana, one for lifesteal, one for both.

except that talisman offers more life regen for aoe champs, its not the mana regen that is the best thing on this item

ThePartyLeaderNov 23, 20151 votes

How about this item Skirmisher's Machete 1050(700) Builds from Machete

10% life steal from monsters. Passive: challenging smite Passive: tooth and nail.

Seems like it would help your two junglers sustain very well out of the jungler and also help them duel champions very well. No waisted stats at all. Combine cost is high but you clear week and gank well so 700g shouldn't be a problem.

GommunismNov 23, 20151 votes

But you realize how this would essentially bring back the Madred's Razor + Spirit Stone power farm build, which was honestly really toxic, especially on farming junglers. And besides, the mana regen isn't even that much on people who use mana. For Olaf, I only got a bonus of around three mana regen. And think of the health steal, combine that with life-steal you get an insane amount of sustain. They are even buffing Talisman so it steals 25 health over 5 seconds instead of 20.

The Evil SpleenNov 23, 20151 votes

Seriously, with the new buff to this item (added 5 damage to the DOT and thus to teh lifesteal) I may even think about starting item 1039 on Shyvana . The fact that your W is constantly applying the DOT and lifesteal to all of the monsters around you seems perfect. Same with RekSai 's Q aoe.