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Katarina - isn't it easier just to delete champion instead making her thrash?

Noris··1 votes·1,031 views

When i first saw this rework i was like BooHoo it's so fancy, playing her is a lot of fun, awesome rework! It wasn't long, though. What Rito did, they just stripped off her strenghts, leaving nothing behind but sweet talk.

Think about it, what are her strenghts now. She has no CC and deals certain amout of damage - fast, compared to other mid laners it's not big damage until u get resets. After and only after that she becomes rape'y. Now what it really makes her? She is team oriented damage dealer useful only with good decision making (if u enter too early, u wont get resets and u're dead, if u enter too late, your team is wiped out). People cry how op she is but when u try to play her in plat they bitch about how " nobody is playing kat in plat+ ". If she is such faceroll champion, why is that? It takes a lot of games to make understand when and what u should do. Bullshit nr 2. "There is no clear couterplay against her" like srsly? anyone who said that has no idea what he is talking about. U just need to shield, heal target with lowest pool of hp to stop her combo or u can use zhonya, sterak, maw to negate burst, just build some survivabilty to sustain burst or just focus her (she has to be in the middle of enemy team to deal damage so u can delete her instantly). Now, it's all about mistakes who will make it first will lose this mental game but is't the whole League just about that?

Few words about new Kat. Now she can't chase anyone to close the deal because her main damage output is in RNG blades and there is no way to activate them if somebody is running from u because they will always land behind him, leaving alone the fact u can go actually and make yourself a coffee and u still will have some time to go to the grocery store to buy some cookies before they land. It's the same if Rito would say we'll make aoe skill which will kill everyone in one shot, but it will work only under allied team fountain - strong on paper but practially useless.

Rito deleted crit chance from masteries to reduce randomness and now makes champion focused on that, yay

My suggestion is to at least make it skillshot like olaf axe to let u choose where it lands (f.e. in front of champion which is running from u).

PS. I'm against League of Tanks, if somebody is stupid enough to facecheck bush when he can't see enemy, make him pay for that. If u managed to lure enemy team into your ambush, be rewarded. PS2. Obviously i'm not native but i hope u understand everything ^^

14 Comments

Kaioko4 votes

I think before starting off into a massive complaint, you should actually wait through the preseason and let the kinks play out. Things are going to be unbalanced for a month or two at least and will be corrected after that. It's the same every year.

zrWQMdGHtY2 votes

Dw m8 ppl who never played Kat will come and speak how cool the rework is and how now she's bad...

Shadòw1 votes

she can E around her daggers (she has 2 of them), meaning she basically can e 3 times very quick.

when she gets a reset, she can pull off that combo another time.

EddyParera2 votes

That's right... The live Katarina is the safest early game diver champ, if her enemy is 30% HP under the turret, that enemy is good as dead. Katarina can just Q -> E in -> W (collect the kill) -> E out without taking any turret shot and even if she does, Dangerous game gets in play. She just had to not f*ck her combo up.

The new Katarina takes that away, needs more skill that just press buttons in the right order or smash buttons.

Noris1 votes

Syndra to take 30% of hp just need to click R, and? Every champion has his strenghts. Finishing off target is kata domain and talking about "skill" how bad player needs to be to let kata win trades during lane phase? Even Rito agrees that she is currently on of the weakest midlaners during lane phase.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

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Syndra to take 30% of hp just need to click R, and? Every champion has his strenghts. Finishing off target is kata domain and talking about "skill" how bad player needs to be to let kata win trades during lane phase? Even Rito agrees that she is currently on of the weakest midlaners during lane phase.

You compared an early game safe turret dive to a champion ultimate... what even.. Even Riot agrees she's one of the weakest mid laners? But I thought you said whoever said those changes has no idea what they're talking about in your original post [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-facepalm] [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Noris1 votes

I'll just quote my words, maybe it will clarify what i'm talking about:

"currently on of the weakest midlaners during lane phase "

" "There is no clear couterplay against her" like srsly? anyone who said that has no idea what he is talking about. "

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

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I'll just quote my words, maybe it will clarify what i'm talking about:

"currently on of the weakest midlaners during lane phase "

" "There is no clear couterplay against her" like srsly? anyone who said that has no idea what he is talking about. "

I'm pretty sure you're quoting riot lol. Saying just cc her isn't a counter, that's everybody's counter. I along with everyone else dont want to just see a face roll champion.

Noris1 votes

Pls stop ignoring, parts of my post as it is conviniet to You. CC is one of what 3 or 4 things that i mentioned how to counter her. And obviously cc counters every champion but u can't ignore how hard or easy it is to put cerain spells on champion. In order To do damage Katarina has to stand next to You. Now for example take rammus and his taunt and compare it to Lux or Xerath.

EddyParera1 votes

I'm talking about pre-level 6 where Katarina can spam her Q for safe poke (even not considering that she doesn't have to make mana management, only cd management), E to dodge significant amout of damage and W for short range damage.

The big problem about Katarina is that if she manages to get the enemy champion low while she's low too, she can tower dive without putting any risk because she will get in and out before she gets aggro from the tower.

You talk about her lane phase, and lane phase is between lvl 6 and lvl 11. And that's because other ultimates don't need to stand still for a period of time to deal damage without being a disrupt like Yasuo's Q+Ult, Malzahar's or Warwick's ult. Before lvl 6, she's strong because Katarina is a champ that plays depending on what happens on the spot without having a plan before like Syndra or other champs. Because Syndra needs to setup her balls prior E to stun. If Katarina uses her E to dodge a major damage ability with her E and at the same time uses it to dash in, she'll will win the trade, am I right or wrong?

Noris1 votes

Lane phase is when everybody are on lanes not between 6 and 11 so it starts with first minion wave and last till one team starts to group up.

It's not that u have bouncing blade every second and that skill to do decent damage needs to be activated, otherwise damage is negligible. Early it's almost not possible with her to win trade because of her early damage. I don't know what is going on but it's like u're talking about different champion or game, it completely makes no sense for me so i am unable to understand, sorry ;/

Hinagiku331 votes

Just so you know, in the video showing off her new skills there's actually a radius around the dagger and Kat auto picks it up like an Olaf axe if she walks near it. It's hardly RNG really since there's a very limited range that the dagger can drop in and she can place one with her W wherever the hell she wants.

If she uses W right after Q she can bounce from one dagger to the other for double burst. Or just E to one dagger and walk into the other if you want. Looks like she could be really scary depending on the numbers.

DeathBurst1 votes

This post is full of factual errors, but please, do whine about imaginary problems, it's fun to read...

her main damage output is in RNG blades

There isn't a single shred of RNG in blades. They jump in a deterministic manner, they always land at the same and predictable location (300 units after your main target, opposite to you) and after the same delay.

there is no way to activate them if somebody is running from u because they will always land behind him

No, if they are running away from you, the dagger will land 300 units IN FRONT of them. The dagger lands 300 units "behind them" compared to YOUR position, not compared to the direction they are facing.

Noris1 votes

U may be right, that's cool. It doesn't change the fact that it's so slow that anyone with decent reaction time can dodge all the damage with ease.

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