No boots/Bloodrazor Diana?

Snilram·Dec 30, 2016·2 votes·945 views

So my friend has been playing league for about 4-5 months and maining jungle Diana for about 3 months now. He is SET on the idea that Boots are worthless on her and the Bloodrazor is bettter than the Runic Echos enchantment on the jungle item. He thinks this because he couples it with nashors tooth as his second item instead of boots.

He has also told me rumors about how he can solo baron with his 6 item Diana.

Personally, I think this is pretty poo and believe that the runic echos boots and building more of an ap tanky nuke type jungler with nashors tooth being a later buy. The lack of early game tankiness makes you target to anyone with burst and cc and the lack of boots makes it impossible to get out of any kind of engagement.

Now, I don't know if i'm missing something with this or if i'm just right, but is Bloodrazor enchant and nashors tooth without boots any way to play diana?

9 Comments

TargonDec 30, 20163 votes

One of my mains is Diana. I've never tried Bloodrazer + Nashors on her in a normal or ranked game, though, I can't imagine it would be that great.

For it to be half decent, Diana would have to be in longer battles so that she can get many autoattacks off. She'd have to build tankier and maybe a bit of sustain too. But that would mean that she'd have less AP and her abilities wouldn't do much damage. It would also mean that the bonus damage she gets on autoattacks from her passive and Nashor's tooth passive would be a lot less. It seems like a trade-off that wouldn't work well in general unless she's ahead.

SnilramDec 30, 20161 votes

How do you weigh on the no boots as well? I understand her ult makes her pretty mobile, but I value the movespeed stat way too much to pass up that much stats for so little gold

TargonDec 30, 20162 votes

Well, I play Diana most often as an assassin and I feel horridly slow before Sorcerer's Shoes + Lich Bane / Luden's Echo, so I'd hate not having boots in a build xD. Her mobility is pretty good with her ultimate, but she'd get kited pretty easily out of team fights.

WeatheredDec 30, 20162 votes

Tell him boots are one of the most important items in the game. Because it is.

Aatrox Mid 1v5Dec 30, 20161 votes

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Because it is.

well how can someone make an argument out of that lol

WeatheredDec 30, 20161 votes

It's difficult to explain to a person because it comes with time and experiencing not having boots, but for most champions movespeed is essential. You can (sort of) get around it by positioning yourself in ways that the enemy won't see you coming and you are almost immediately in range for spells, but otherwise if the enemy has vision of you and starts to move, especially as a Diana, there is no way you'll be able to catch up to use R or any spell as long as the enemy doesn't path stupidly. They other application is with any champ who uses auto attacks. In absence of a slow or cc, autoing makes your champion stop, and after that first auto you'll just be walking behind the enemy unable to enter back into aa range.

Boots are pretty essential for jungle among other reasons because map pressure is the key to jungling, and lack of movement means less pressure among multiple lanes. Remember when Alacrity was in the game? It was removed along with the other enchants because it overshadowed them like crazy because you could take Swifties with Alacrity and just have so much damn pressure that no lane could walk up and be aggressive for fear of the jungle being there.

hunterspecDec 30, 20161 votes

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well how can someone make an argument out of that lol

"because it is"

hunterspecDec 30, 20161 votes

I saw someone build rage blade on her and no idea how she had a high win rate with her

Moon MomDec 30, 20161 votes

If he doesn't enjoy boots you can offer runic echos + Lich bane. Those two items give Diana the MS of Tier 2 boots without actually purchasing them. I would advise him to take note that bloodrazors damage is percent hp (ad damage, I think?) So it isn't that great on her. If he wants to play a more attack speed style build, nashors tooth + attackspeed marks and then off tank AP items are a great alternative.

These are things you can suggest in small doses in game. Diana has many playstyles -- AD onhit doesn't work too well for her though.