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AD Assassins are being overnerfed

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I really really wanted to have an answer of some responsable one for Riot's balancing team. Since so much time ago, assassins keep being nerfed had having hard times at playing the game, and it's something that makes me and many other assassin players very upset. If we look at the last months or even last years, we haven't really seen any assassins dominating the competitive meta (like Azir or Viktor did for a very long time) or even the dominating the soloqueue (Ok, maybe Talon some patches ago, but not even close to something ridiculous like Tank Ekko on 6.8 or Malzahar since patch 6.9). To exemplificate, Zed, tho most known assassins of the game, for being anoying and "having no counterplay" had his main item nerfed on pre-season (Botrk), had heavy nerfs during all the season 5 and pre-season 6 (later on, had some fixes to give him a little bit more strong) and is still being nerfed pretty hard, one of notable Zed nerfs on this season, were when the Draktharr Duskblade got released, and then Riot nerfed his percent bonus AD on living shadow, something that wasn't even needed once they released the item just because assassins were weak (Logic: Assassins are weak, let's release an item to make them strong, them let's nerf them and make them weak again) but the point is that even the theorically good item for him wasn't even possible to build on him on many situations. Them we had the change on QSS, and it could not remove his Death Mark anymore. Do you know how much his win ratio has raised after this? It was passed from 49.78 to 50.73 '-' Less than 1%, yes less than 1%, then he got nerfed, and they made his laning phase harass weaker, but his all-in combo pretty much the same or even better if you hit 3 shurikens, then you know what ? He got a fall to 47.32 turning him into one of the last midlaners of the patch (positiong 43 in a ranking of 49) but ok ok, that's still playable, but then in patch 6.12 he is receiving ANOTHER NERF, yes another nerf, here is my point, WHY? He is already one of the worst ones, he is weaker the Heirmerdinger, weaker than Veigar and even the forgotten Akali ! Why he is still being nerfed ? The most well placed of the ad assassins at midlaner e Pantheon with 50.84% win rate! Pantheon! PS: All the numbers i used can be found on the link.

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8 Comments

Very Hard Engage3 votes

AD assassins deal substantially more damage than needed to drop a carry. and it just so happens to spill over and cause problems for full armor stackers.

the nerfs are justified, you just need to use more auto attacks and stay in a fight longer.

Kain9971 votes

The is not what you think that is fair, or i think that is fair. Statiscaly they are weak and the nerfs keeps coming, once they are already balanced/weak in competitive and in the soloque Check the numbers plz

Very Hard Engage3 votes

and statistically assassins are high popularity bronze players who are wannabe fakers and just spam all at once and feed, throwing stats out the window. (while all the people who use zed as a tool to climb easily maintain a 60+ % win rate on him or even higher in extreme cases it could be 80%) act as a counterbalance to the new feeding spammers. when in pro play an assassin gets picked, the whole enemy team compensates or bjerg has 4 kills already in the mid lane because he hit level 6.

its not even a contest, you directly counter it, or you are dead over and over only gated by your CD's.

and even when you are directly countering the assassin, they still have options in build (because they're often resource less) and play style adaptions because of an overloaded kit.

tank fizz/akali/ and now talon ?!?! building tank because their kit is still strong enough to take down a squishy without any real risk involved on their end.

Kain9972 votes

If you pay attention The site only utilizes Plat+ data

Assassins are building tank because the tank itens are extremely strong and Last Whisper/Botrk are weaker than it were in past seasons,so, they use their mobility to be even harder to kill, and being focused by the enemy team, the assume they are great damage dealers (what is not true) so their team is free to unleash their damage without being focused that much (pretty much like the Old S4 Tanky Kha Zix) People that use assassins to climb elo are VERY VERY GOOD at them, and any champion in the game can carry games if you are very good at him, but they are exceptions, and balance is not based on exceptions, but in average players. Zed is actually at 47% win rate in the plat + ELO and if you only consider players with 50/125+ ranked games with him, his win ratio is 53%, not 60 or 80%. Assassins are not fighters, they aren't made to trade many auto attacks with the target, they aren't supposed to build tanky and play in a anoying and skill-less style like they are being forced to do currently, they all-in,kill and get out, this is their job, and if they miss, they don't deserve to kill, so they will be useless! The point here is that in higher elos, were people have more skillplay/knowledge some assassins that are pretty weak are still being nerfed indirectly over and over In the patch 6.12, Yooumu is getting nerfed, the core item for most of the assassins, because some casters adc's are abusing it's strenght (What makes sense, since they are ad casters!) and what is Riot Balancing Designers doing ? Are they nerfing the adc's ? No! They are buffing the adc's itens and nerfing the assassins core item, just to force the caster ad's to build IE and ER and stop building Yooumu's GhostBlade, even tought GhostBlade makes a lot more sense in their kits! There is quite sometime that assassins and another "fast-type" champions are getting nerfed, and champions that plays slowly with more delays and gaining strenght, but they are already strong! There is space for everyone in the game. I'm sorry if i offend anyone, but i really feel that i'm being unvalued as a player, because all the time i spent praticing,training and studying mechanics of my favorite champions is just being useless! And the "number nerfs" aren't the worst part, mechanics are being nerfed, delays are being stablished, it's like the game is forcing you to not play assassins anymore. When Talon silence got removed, that was a toxic mechanic, that provided no counterplay. When LB silence got removed, same thing. When Zed's ultimate shadow got moved away from the target and put in the place that he actually were, that was a good change. But what's the point on putting a delay, slowing how fast an assassin can move out, once everytime he moves, he is actually losing dps ? What is the point on making an assassin weaker, because of a problem that 3 or 4 adcarries are causing (GhostBlade nerf) ?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

tank items are not the problem. the problem here is that when you build full damage you get poked or hit once and you have to back or find something to lifesteal off of, you get bursted or initiated onto first with a flash and you just melt by anyone else with damage. then you contribute nothing because you're already dead. when you build tank you can take a hit, still go in and stick to the enemy carry, and win anyway because you would've killed them anyway just for doing your kit. because they have no resistances and you have just enough damage to take them down with a rotation. mobility abusers are the biggest issue

notice, people aren't building full tank, its 1 or 2 damage items and then counter your damage type here.

they're doing it to create an advantageous 5v4 situation, and in any prolonged fight, you're just going to win.

and then you look at someone like talon, whos perfectly balanced and a role model for what an assassin should have to do in order to kill someone.

commit hard. and outplay with invisibility, and not instant teleports.

zed was "nerfed" for being oppressive in the early game, that was absolutely justified, and any assassin main will say nope, zed weak, buff zed. "win rates low", (CRY CRY CRY)

zed has extremley little counterplay, he has counterpicks and counterbuilds, not play. zed does as he pleases, he takes what he wants. you have no say in the matter. you need more players to deal with zed, no all in one kit goes against his kit. otherwise its a limited counterpick to begin with.

-5 AD on a gross item isn't a nerf to a class all around, need i remind you that not all assassins are AD.

maybe if silences and targeted stuns were more prominent on mid laners zed would be balanced, but he just isn't he will always have that extreme edge over everyone else in lane just because of his kit.

a full damage vs full tank or a mix tank/damager. the damage dealer will put out more, by default even if the mix person is trying to counterbuild his opponent. the issue here is that you just die before he does. despite you dealing more DPS,

lets say you are playing caitlyn, and the bane of your existance is tank ekko. f dat guy i know.

have you ever considered building item 3071 item 3153 item 3022 item 3036 item 3072 for a full kit?

nope, its always 100% item 3031 item 3085 item 3139 item 3508 and finish with item 3036 or maybe a PD/cannon instead of essence reaver, and maybe not a merc scepter at all, w/e your choice

tank assassins are just counterbuilding. thats it. and its a surprise to people that they just win more often.

Kain9971 votes

I'm talking about AD assassins because they are being nerfed Le Blanc is still played in competitive scene, Fizz is in a pretty good spot and some others too (if you consider Ahri) Talking about counterplay: Yes, Zed has counterplay, in order to really deal damage, he needs to me exposed for at least 2 seconds, hit 2 crossed skillshots and dodge some skills, i admit that in the right hands he can really look overpowered but that's not the case, not everyone is very good at him, and even if you are, there is many counterpicks, counter builds and even summoners spells that counters him really hard! Dude, i main assassin champions since i play this game, and everytime i have to face a Zed and my main champions are banned or picked, i just pick Lulu, Ahri or Lux and he is just done, and i'm not even close to be good at this 3 champions! You talk like Zed was a point-click champion that just kills you and go away, his "opressive" early game was because his full combo with W-E-Q deals much damage, a combo that he needes to land perfectly 3 skillshots to proc thunderlord and deal the great damage, something that Azir can easily do with W-Q and two auto-attacks or Viktor can with one skillshot and one pointclick/auto attack skill, and without being very exposed, something that is not the same for Zed, once he needs to spent even his mobility skill (W) to harass really heavy. If he wasn't weak and i was just blaming because of the champions of my style were getting nerfed, why would his win rate be so low ? Even when he was "opressive" his results were nothing bigger 52/53%, and let's be honest, assassins are MADE to kill you, they have to do this, their early game has to be strong because, they are made to snowball! And wait, if his early game was "abusive" what's the point on nerfing his attack damage bonus scaling ? If he is really so broken and opressive, why isn't he dominant ? Why use Azir, Viktor and Varus when Zed can take what he wants ? When you talk about Bjerg, you were talking about one of the best midlaners in the world, playing his main champions against midlaners that are notable worse than him, he did the same thing when playing for NiP and will always do the same thing, not because the champions are broken, but because he can play the champion very well.

Very Hard Engage3 votes

those champions are picked because they have 0 interest in fighting, and they are just farming out the wave and ensuring zed has to dive deep to reach anyone at all. they bank on just reaching late game without zed gaining anything.

at which point they win because they have anyone else, vs an unfed assassin.

counterplay assumes you can contend with him. and everything in my AP mid laner history says when im 0-0 and even in farm with zed, hes also 0-0, he wins the engage, despite me landing all my skill shots, and getting my full rotation in, zed wins. not because he dodged anything, but because im weak, and hes strong, he can stick and get extra autos in, he gets bonus damage on his ult on top of 100% of his AD. i barely have any AP to work with.

so in order to win the game, i dont fight with zed, instead i make sure he doesn't get fed, and well just win any 5v5 later on or just push right down mid lane in a 5v4, go ahead and split push zed well breach your gates first.

so once again, there is no counterplay to zed, its simply dont fight him alone. or you are a direct counter measure to a zed. like ill bring wukong or urgot to the mid lane and just crap all over him, much the same a zed does to a veigar or a karthus

Kain9971 votes

Well, this is the right point You shall not be able to 1v1 him, he is an assassin, it's his job, it is what he is made to do, it's the only real good thing he has, and if you land a really good outplay, you can still win! For self experience, i use to stomp assassin in lane by simply using Lulu or Syndra.

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