ADCs are a like an extra support now?

krnguyjosh·Jun 23, 2016·1 votes·1,727 views

I understand you guys put in a lot of time trying to balance issues out but for real? I think a lot of ADCs feel the same pain as I do when I say this but, what's our role now? an extra support to put in the a small amount of extra damage? it used to be when a tank strolls in and the adc if fed enough can actually put some damage through the fucker. now ADCs don't deal any damage to tank champions. Even with armor penetration runes and items like youmous and dominiques (yes I always buy hese together cuz I have no answer to these tanks ever) It is not like I don't know how to play another lane but for players that have been honing their adc skills since they joined the game. this is some serious bullshit. ADC or Also known as AD CARRY has no carry effect on this game at all anmore. its about the buffest motherfuckers with the most armor and hp. RIot seriously get your fucking shit together man.

38 Comments

blfUvZ8YbuJun 23, 20166 votes

Interesting.Adc's are so strong.With patch 6.12 they will dominate pro scene.Watch and see.

Did you see Ashe's q damage or Cait's traps and tower defense?

Did you see Twitch's late game AOE damage, Sivir's AOE damage and crits?

Did you see Ezreal's kites and slowing?

MarshbouyJun 23, 20163 votes

Hey its you! you are completely right and i dont know what OP is smoking. I think he forgot to build item 3036 item 3153 ECT

ShinkoMinoriJun 23, 20164 votes

You are silver 5 and about to be demoted to bronze...

MarshbouyJun 23, 20163 votes

"Tiny amount of damage" wut.

hsumis1oveJun 23, 20161 votes

This is seroiusly what i posted on the boards a couple of months ago after adcs were nerfed. The only tank melter is vayne, making her the only truly viable adc right now.

hsumis1oveJun 23, 20161 votes

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This is seroiusly what i posted on the boards a couple of months ago after adcs were nerfed. The only tank melter is vayne, making her the only truly viable adc right now.

But that was before the sunfire cape and iceborn guantlet nerf. Ekko was super broken, even as vayne i couldn't melt him when he went full tank. Nautilus has also been nerfed since then and swifties too, denying olaf from running straight at you and not being able to kite him.

DefendedJun 23, 20161 votes

Tbh only vayne and lucian are the definition of adc now. Both strong as hell.

SearnoJun 24, 20162 votes

Miss Fortune, Ashe, Sivir, Caitlyn, Ezreal, Jhin, Kog'Maw... those don't count?

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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Miss Fortune, Ashe, Sivir, Caitlyn, Ezreal, Jhin, Kog'Maw... those don't count?

Have you read the fucking thread. Really just curious

We're talking about ADCs that do damage and are self reliant. Right now only lucian and vayne ( of course bluebullshit ezreal counts ) Are really the only ones that fulfill that role..

MF is probably the most trash definition of ADC. Without the korean build she needs 3-4 items to do ''some'' damage as an adc.

my 2nd most played champ is MF btw. But shes utter garbage without the korean build and that says a lot considering the korean build is broken as hell

blfUvZ8YbuJun 24, 20162 votes

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Have you read the fucking thread. Really just curious

We're talking about ADCs that do damage and are self reliant. Right now only lucian and vayne ( of course bluebullshit ezreal counts ) Are really the only ones that fulfill that role..

MF is probably the most trash definition of ADC. Without the korean build she needs 3-4 items to do ''some'' damage as an adc.

my 2nd most played champ is MF btw. But shes utter garbage without the korean build and that says a lot considering the korean build is broken as hell

53% win rate Mf isn't trash. 54% win rate Ashe isn't trash. 53% win rate Jinx isn't trash. 53% win rate Twitch isn't trash. 52% win rate Sivir and Kog maw aren't trash. 51% win rate Cait isn't trash.

Silence please.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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53% win rate Mf isn't trash. 54% win rate Ashe isn't trash. 53% win rate Jinx isn't trash. 53% win rate Twitch isn't trash. 52% win rate Sivir and Kog maw aren't trash. 51% win rate Cait isn't trash.

Silence please.

Who are you.

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20162 votes

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Have you read the fucking thread. Really just curious

We're talking about ADCs that do damage and are self reliant. Right now only lucian and vayne ( of course bluebullshit ezreal counts ) Are really the only ones that fulfill that role..

MF is probably the most trash definition of ADC. Without the korean build she needs 3-4 items to do ''some'' damage as an adc.

my 2nd most played champ is MF btw. But shes utter garbage without the korean build and that says a lot considering the korean build is broken as hell

Vayne isn't even good right now, why do you keep bringing her up?

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=quepG9YF,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2016-06-24T02:48:00.793+0000)

Vayne isn't even good right now, why do you keep bringing her up?

Vayne is ALWAYS good. She is never bad.

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20162 votes

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Vayne is ALWAYS good. She is never bad.

No, she's certainly bad sometimes. She's one of the weaker ADCs right now, and has been for most of season six.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Memeglaive Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=quepG9YF,comment-id=000300000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-06-24T02:54:12.619+0000)

No, she's certainly bad sometimes. She's one of the weaker ADCs right now, and has been for most of season six.

Says who.

Says you? What rank are you in What experience do you have with vayne

Season 6 was the tank meta. How is vayne bad in a tank meta.

I've played vayne. And it felt fucking good hitting garen for a 1100 3rd hit.

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

Season 6 earlier on was when games ended very early, even now it's still ending early, vayne has huge outplay potential on anyone but she's also very short range. Vayne should be hitting like 30 minutes in before her winrates start to rise.

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20161 votes

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Says who.

Says you? What rank are you in What experience do you have with vayne

Season 6 was the tank meta. How is vayne bad in a tank meta.

I've played vayne. And it felt fucking good hitting garen for a 1100 3rd hit.

Says ADC players who are considerably better at the game than you, like Imaqtpie for example, if rank matters so much to you.

Says her consistently low win rate in season six.

Vayne is bad in a tank meta when the meta marksmen (Lucian, Caitlyn, etc.) can dump on her in lane and make her completely irrelevant.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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Says ADC players who are considerably better at the game than you, like Imaqtpie for example, if rank matters so much to you.

Says her consistently low win rate in season six.

Vayne is bad in a tank meta when the meta marksmen (Lucian, Caitlyn, etc.) can dump on her in lane and make her completely irrelevant.

Show me. Show me a video. Show me a podcast. Show me a screenshot.

Show me anything.

Why does Gosu still play vayne then? Is gosu bad? I dont understand your logic. You're completely negligent. A good vayne player will NEVER be bad. Never.

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20161 votes

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Show me. Show me a video. Show me a podcast. Show me a screenshot.

No, I'm not going to scour every video of Imaqtpie I can find to find a shot of him talking about Vayne in season six. What he says is that Vayne is only good when pretty much every other ADC is bad.

Show me anything.

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Second most experienced playerbase for ADCs, one of the lower win rates.

She's not very good right now.

Why does Gosu still play vayne then? Is gosu bad? I dont understand your logic. You're completely negligent. A good vayne player will NEVER be bad. Never.

Presumably because he enjoys playing Vayne, since IIRC she is his favorite champion.

Gosu obviously isn't bad, though he is probably worse than QT.

Even Gosu only has a 50% win rate with Vayne, and he's in Diamond 1. Not even in masters or challenger.

Vayne will never be good in a meta where Lucian or Caitlyn are popular.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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No, I'm not going to scour every video of Imaqtpie I can find to find a shot of him talking about Vayne in season six. What he says is that Vayne is only good when pretty much every other ADC is bad.

http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne

Second most experienced playerbase for ADCs, one of the lower win rates.

She's not very good right now.

Presumably because he enjoys playing Vayne, since IIRC she is his favorite champion.

Gosu obviously isn't bad, though he is probably worse than QT.

Even Gosu only has a 50% win rate with Vayne, and he's in Diamond 1. Not even in masters or challenger.

Vayne will never be good in a meta where Lucian or Caitlyn are popular.

Ok vayne has the lowest win rate so that means shes bad according to you.

Lets bring up ryze whom has a 44% win rate. Tell me ryze is bad? 90% bann rate in the SS Lcs. 40% bann rate overall. Win rates mean NOTHING. Of course shes going to have a 44% win rate

You know how many fuck boys wanna learn vayne after watching a ''gosu montage''?

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20161 votes

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Ok vayne has the lowest win rate so that means shes bad according to you.

Lets bring up ryze whom has a 44% win rate. Tell me ryze is bad? 90% bann rate in the SS Lcs. 40% bann rate overall. Win rates mean NOTHING. Of course shes going to have a 44% win rate

You know how many fuck boys wanna learn vayne after watching a ''gosu montage''?

Why would you even bring up Ryze and his data in the LCS when it just weakens your own position?

Want to know who doesn't have near Ryze's use and ban rate in the LCS? Vayne. Vayne isn't a contested LCS pick at all this season. Do you know why? It's because she isn't very good.

Vayne doesn't have a 44% win rate lol, can you even fucking read?

No, you're wrong. Nearly a third of Vayne's total playerbase consists of people with over 125 games on her in ranked, aka mains. She has the second most experienced playerbase, only behind Draven's.

Learn to read statistics before you try to debate them.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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Why would you even bring up Ryze and his data in the LCS when it just weakens your own position?

Want to know who doesn't have near Ryze's use and ban rate in the LCS? Vayne. Vayne isn't a contested LCS pick at all this season. Do you know why? It's because she isn't very good.

Vayne doesn't have a 44% win rate lol, can you even fucking read?

No, you're wrong. Nearly a third of Vayne's total playerbase consists of people with over 125 games on her in ranked, aka mains. She has the second most experienced playerbase, only behind Draven's.

Learn to read statistics before you try to debate them.

''Why would you even bring up ryze'' Because you brong up vaynes win rate. Trying to say that her lowest win rate = her being weak when thats not true. Ryze is known as one of the most unfair champions in the game even said by rioters multiple times that he lacks any sort of counterplay and has cheap scaling.

But he has a 45% win rate. So what does that tell you about win rates..? It means they mean NOTHING.

''Vayne doesnt even have a 44% win rate lol can you even fucking read''

Good. She has a 48% i just checked That means shes fine. I got a question for you

HOW MANY PEOPLE play vayne trying to be like Gosu or some bad ass ADC? hint: A lot. And if she has a 48% win rate after ALL that what does that say? That shes fucking fine.

You can think what you want, Tell me what rank you are, tell me how many games you've played. Because i can for sure as hell guarantee i have a lot more experience then you in bot lane Period.

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20161 votes

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''Why would you even bring up ryze'' Because you brong up vaynes win rate. Trying to say that her lowest win rate = her being weak when thats not true. Ryze is known as one of the most unfair champions in the game even said by rioters multiple times that he lacks any sort of counterplay and has cheap scaling.

None of this applies to Vayne. So do you have a point (this is a rhetorical question, I already know you don't)?

But he has a 45% win rate. So what does that tell you about win rates..? It means they mean NOTHING.

Ryze's average playerbase is also much less experienced than Vayne's. His sample size is also much lower than hers, meaning that his data is more prone to being inaccurate.

You bring up Ryze who has consistently been a problem on players who know how to play him since his rework because of his broken kit.

This isn't the case with Vayne. The two scenarios aren't comparable.

Seriously though, you really shouldn't try to argue statistics if you are fundamentally ignorant of them. And you are. Why do you debate against things you don't even understand?

''Vayne doesnt even have a 44% win rate lol can you even fucking read''

Good. She has a 48% i just checked That means shes fine. I got a question for you

She's weaker than average, especially considering most Vaynes are more experienced at the champion than most other ADC players.

Also, 48% means she's fine? I thought win rates didn't matter? You're not smart enough to stay consistent.

HOW MANY PEOPLE play vayne trying to be like Gosu or some bad ass ADC? hint: A lot. And if she has a 48% win rate after ALL that what does that say? That shes fucking fine.

I'd like to see you provide some actual statistical data that validates your claim that Vayne players are just retards who try and fail to emulate Gosu, lol.

Because the actual data we have on hand shows us that Vayne players are actually very experienced with the champion.

You say she's fine? She'd only be fine if we assumed your claim of Gosu-emulating stupidity were true, but we have no reason to do that.

You can think what you want, Tell me what rank you are, tell me how many games you've played. Because i can for sure as hell guarantee i have a lot more experience then you in bot lane Period.

Silver 3 with about 70 games played this season with a 59% win rate, top and jungle main.

But none of that matters. What matters more is the rather considerable difference in our intelligence (I'm smarter than you is what I'm saying), which is why I actually know how to interpret data, and you don't.

You're trying to make an appeal to authority on me here (that's a logical fallacy, look it up because I know you don't have the education required to know what a logical fallacy here), but frankly it's falling flat. You have no argument beyond trying to attack our respective experiences bot lane.

But who gives a fuck about whatever experience you apparently have bottom lane? That's anecdotal evidence, which is not a valid form of proof.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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None of this applies to Vayne. So do you have a point (this is a rhetorical question, I already know you don't)?

Ryze's average playerbase is also much less experienced than Vayne's. His sample size is also much lower than hers, meaning that his data is more prone to being inaccurate.

You bring up Ryze who has consistently been a problem on players who know how to play him since his rework because of his broken kit.

This isn't the case with Vayne. The two scenarios aren't comparable.

Seriously though, you really shouldn't try to argue statistics if you are fundamentally ignorant of them. And you are. Why do you debate against things you don't even understand?

She's weaker than average, especially considering most Vaynes are more experienced at the champion than most other ADC players.

Also, 48% means she's fine? I thought win rates didn't matter? You're not smart enough to stay consistent.

I'd like to see you provide some actual statistical data that validates your claim that Vayne players are just retards who try and fail to emulate Gosu, lol.

Because the actual data we have on hand shows us that Vayne players are actually very experienced with the champion.

You say she's fine? She'd only be fine if we assumed your claim of Gosu-emulating stupidity were true, but we have no reason to do that.

Silver 3 with about 70 games played this season with a 59% win rate, top and jungle main.

But none of that matters. What matters more is the rather considerable difference in our intelligence (I'm smarter than you is what I'm saying), which is why I actually know how to interpret data, and you don't.

You're trying to make an appeal to authority on me here (that's a logical fallacy, look it up because I know you don't have the education required to know what a logical fallacy here), but frankly it's falling flat. You have no argument beyond trying to attack our respective experiences bot lane.

But who gives a fuck about whatever experience you apparently have bottom lane? That's anecdotal evidence, which is not a valid form of proof.

lol........................................

AlwaysByMySideJun 24, 20161 votes

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lol........................................

I accept your concession.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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I accept your concession.

It's just too much stuff for me to argue back. I can prove you wrong on so much but atleast i have the decency to acknowledge some of your correct statements. You on the other hand '' ur wrong''

You have 70 ranked games and you're silver 3... I have 1000 Bot lane games ALONE in 6 months.

I just do not agree with you saying ''vayne and lucian are bad adcs compared to the rest''... Lucian hit a 60% bann rate and was rising, Vayne is known as the #1 hypercarry in the game

I just dont understand you. But whatever ill leave it at that we dont see eye to eye thats fine. Gl my man

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

Yes I've read the thread. Also if you search up stats, vayne and Luc deal the least overall damage, obviously in a 1v1 setting they're great, but in team fights a lot of champions wreck way harder than them.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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Yes I've read the thread. Also if you search up stats, vayne and Luc deal the least overall damage, obviously in a 1v1 setting they're great, but in team fights a lot of champions wreck way harder than them.

No you're 100% right Luc deals the least overall damage and not good in team fights thats why he hit a 65% bann rate and was rising quickly before the nerfs.

You right lucians not good in team fights.

And of course vaynes going to do the least overall damage shes a hypercarry. She wants to hit late game so she can end it..

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

Overall damage in teamfights appears to be lower in statistics, in 1v1 situations he's insanely strong.

Also I'm sorry that you're always angry lol

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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Overall damage in teamfights appears to be lower in statistics, in 1v1 situations he's insanely strong.

Also I'm sorry that you're always angry lol

Show me your statistics.

Show me your ''overall damage in teamfights appears to be lower in statistics''

Also its not that im always angry, I just hate extremely ignorant replies that show no vital evidence let alone ANY evidence to prove their claims.

You said ''Vayne and Lucian dont have a lot of damage at the end of the game compared to other adcs'' Thats what you said summed up.

One thing you didnt realize is that Vayne is a hyper carry meaning the LATER the game goes in the better.

What does vayne want to do? Farm Not fight.

What Does nasus want to do? Farm not fight

You know why? Because they are STRONGER after a certain point. Of course vaynes going to have lower damage in the game. Hell she might even have the 2nd least after the support but you know what? She couldnt have did shit the whole game, As long as at 50 minutes in, She hit that volibear for 500,500,1200. She did her job and thats all that matters.

Im sorry if it seems offensive but you gotta understand. Saying a hypercarry doesnt have the most damage at the end of the game is probably the most bronze statement i could have ever heard.

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

Not my statistics... It's literally what I'm seeing from compiled data so don't tell me i'm extremely ignorant because this isn't me trying to make stuff up, if the data happens to be wrong, don't blame me.

Well obviously they have huge damage, that's why they wreck anyone 1v1, but aoe damage just adds up in teamfights way more or at least that's what the trend shows. I never said they have less damage at the end of the game I said damage put out overall in teamfights is less, because of aoe damage, so instead of telling me what I "summed up", maybe read what I actually wrote.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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http://champion.gg/statistics/#?roleSort=ADC&sortBy=general.totalDamageDealtToChampions&order=descend

Not my statistics... It's literally what I'm seeing from compiled data so don't tell me i'm extremely ignorant because this isn't me trying to make stuff up, if the data happens to be wrong, don't blame me.

Well obviously they have huge damage, that's why they wreck anyone 1v1, but aoe damage just adds up in teamfights way more or at least that's what the trend shows. I never said they have less damage at the end of the game I said damage put out overall in teamfights is less, because of aoe damage, so instead of telling me what I "summed up", maybe read what I actually wrote.

Would like to point out this ''stats'' also says Varus is the #1 adc.

Do you think varus is the #1 adc?

Lucian is #17 ADC out of 18? So you're telling me despite reaching a 65% bann rate with a 48% popularity rate which means there was a lucian in half your games, a few weeks ago. Lucian is now the #17 adc?

Even tho hes still the go to pick in the summer split LCS he is the #17 pick?

Where is varus in the LCS?? It says varus is the #1 pick? You believe one stat on this website but not the other?

How does this make sense.

Varus has an arrow that goes throughpeople and thats it. How does he have more ''aoe'' damage.

Ok lets talk about ''aoe adding up in teamfights'' your words. Sivir is #12. Do you know what sivirs Q and W are? But she has #12 in damage dealt.

I'm backing my stuff up from facts. You're backing your stuff up from a website that compiles info that doesnt state from what game what elo what region what anything and just says

''yeah bro varus #1 adc lol''

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

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Would like to point out this ''stats'' also says Varus is the #1 adc.

Do you think varus is the #1 adc?

Lucian is #17 ADC out of 18? So you're telling me despite reaching a 65% bann rate with a 48% popularity rate which means there was a lucian in half your games, a few weeks ago. Lucian is now the #17 adc?

Even tho hes still the go to pick in the summer split LCS he is the #17 pick?

Where is varus in the LCS?? It says varus is the #1 pick? You believe one stat on this website but not the other?

How does this make sense.

Varus has an arrow that goes throughpeople and thats it. How does he have more ''aoe'' damage.

Ok lets talk about ''aoe adding up in teamfights'' your words. Sivir is #12. Do you know what sivirs Q and W are? But she has #12 in damage dealt.

I'm backing my stuff up from facts. You're backing your stuff up from a website that compiles info that doesnt state from what game what elo what region what anything and just says

''yeah bro varus #1 adc lol''

??

It's from plat+ games from NA, EU and Korea. If you could read you would know. Honestly I'd continue this conversation but I would rather not talk to a bigot. I'd also like to point out that there's a difference between role position and position change, varus improved the most this patch is what they're saying... but when you click role position it mentions jhin as the top spot. In your words, "Did you even read the fucking post?"... clearly you should brush up on your reading comprehension since you can't understand a table correctly.

DefendedJun 24, 20161 votes

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It's from plat+ games from NA, EU and Korea. If you could read you would know. Honestly I'd continue this conversation but I would rather not talk to a bigot. I'd also like to point out that there's a difference between role position and position change, varus improved the most this patch is what they're saying... but when you click role position it mentions jhin as the top spot. In your words, "Did you even read the fucking post?"... clearly you should brush up on your reading comprehension since you can't understand a table correctly.

Go home.

You and your shitty website statistics mean nothing.

''Lucian is bad in teamfights in terms of damage'' lmao yeah you go tell a challenger that. Let me know how that goes you ''bigot''

SearnoJun 24, 20161 votes

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Go home.

You and your shitty website statistics mean nothing.

''Lucian is bad in teamfights in terms of damage'' lmao yeah you go tell a challenger that. Let me know how that goes you ''bigot''

I just love how you avoid the fact that you wanted to see those statistics and then couldn't read it and complain about me not being able to read? If you call me a bigot while you're the one being ignorant to everything you say that's wrong then I don't know what to tell you lmao.

RalanrJun 23, 20161 votes

Kite well enough and tanks will run from you.

UpDownLeftRightABJun 24, 20161 votes

It's about itemization, and the order an adc has to build so they can keep up with the tanks. Right now, don't build IE first, if it's a high hp tank, botrk, if it's a high armor tank, then you get dom. It's about playing to the opponents and hoping you can get ahead of their itemization before they can shut you down. Most adc go BF sword -> Zeal, then it differentiates which path you finish first. But yeah, you don't have relevance till you finish your 2 core items + whatever tank buster you need, so try to hold off teamfighting till then. There are exceptions, like lucian, ezreal, vayne, are great 2 items adc with early teamfight power, but they tend to fall off (except vayne) late, late game

AtronthorJun 24, 20161 votes

Its hard to say something objective because the game is such manipulated. Sometimes I make zero damage and in another game I shoot the guys away. And there is no really explanation for that. The only explanation is cheating in my eyes. So actually I really dont know how good my ADCs are.

In one game I make a S+ with Graves in another game I dont kill anything and the enemies roll over me.

But of course there are items you should buy as ADC against tanks. Unfortunately I dont know the English words. I am German. And I dont even know the German words because I dont memorize such informations. It is not important for me. Ah you can make symbols of the items. Against tanks you can buy these items: item 3033 item 3036

I think Riot buffed ADCs a little bit. And I think that they are good now. In my last game I killed a Lee Sin 1vs1 with Graves. I kited him well and then I shot him ;-). Or Alkali can be kited very well too. All you need is the right technique and Frosthammer? Is this the word in English? In German the item calls Frosthammer item 3022 .