Ryze Unironically Needs a Rework.

scribbles782··1 votes·559 views

Ryze can use a rework for multiple reasons, I'll list them out.

  1. He has a horrid mix of being very weak/easy to beat, but mindnumbingly painful to play against. His point and click root makes me want to cry, because I can never engage on him. But in the grand scheme of things, he sucks in almost every other aspect if you're not godly at him.

  2. He's impossible to balance. He is busted af in high elo, but if you nerf him he will be literally unplayable in lower elo, and vice versa. That means he will never be balanced through all or most levels of play with this kit.

  3. His ult is just... Blegh. I feel like it can only be good in specific situations, and at level 1 it's very hard to do much with it. You can set up really predictable flanks, but that's about it. It's just a worse Tahm Kench ult. Not to mention you can troll your team so easily with it...

  4. His laning phase is decently dominant with all the waveclear he has, but he can't teamfight. He has little AOE to be useful with in fights, and all he really can do with it is waveclear.

I really hate to say it, but Ryze can really use another rework. AND DON'T FUCK IT UP THIS TIME. Thank you.

(Also allow me to invalidate this entire post. I've never played Ryze before.)

5 Comments

DarkLordArbitur1 votes
  1. Every champion sucks if you're not godly at them

  2. Not true. He wasn't played through most of Worlds because he didn't fit in the meta, and he had a terrible W/L ratio, at about 32%.

  3. TK can only carry one person. Ryze can carry the entire team, plus as many minions as will fit.

  4. Single target damage is damage. See Cassiopeia and almost every ADC in the game.

Just to further invalidate your post.

scribbles7821 votes

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  1. Every champion sucks if you're not godly at them

  2. Not true. He wasn't played through most of Worlds because he didn't fit in the meta, and he had a terrible W/L ratio, at about 32%.

  3. TK can only carry one person. Ryze can carry the entire team, plus as many minions as will fit.

  4. Single target damage is damage. See Cassiopeia and almost every ADC in the game.

Just to further invalidate your post.

Okay...

  1. There are a LOT of very easy champions that even the worst players can be good at. Most tanks, for example are very simple.

  2. Okay, I can see your point here.

  3. But when does carrying minions really help when your not either fountain diving like an idiot or making a Vandril vidio. And for carrying champs, it's such a bad range it doesn't even matter.

  4. Okay, Let's take a look at some ADCs. Miss fortune- Massive AOE ult Twitch- Piercing auto attacks that can hit literally everyone Kalista- Giant AOE knock up Jinx- Long range AOE rockets Sivir- Bouncing boomerang that can hit everyone plus one that pierces everone Draven/Ezreal- Can clean up kills from a range and hit everyone on the team with their ults.

DarkLordArbitur1 votes
  1. Still get smacked on most "easy" tanks. Learning when to go in on a tank is important.

  2. Apparently if I skip 2, it autocorrects my 3 and 4 to 2 and 3, so here's a 2 placeholder.

  3. There was a play made in worlds after ryze was first reworked to his latest rework where they took baron, and then teleported to the top T2 tower and took that too. You can also use it to pull a wave from lane to lane, for instance, if you have a super minion wave or a winion wave crashing in bot side and you don't have very many minions left in the mid lane. You just have to think about how it can be used.

  4. The only ADC whose multi-target damage isn't somehow mitigated or easily avoided is Corki's. The rest have some sort of "reduced damage" or "first enemy hit" effect. Ryze plays in much the same way, except you can spam the E button in teamfights to repeatedly spread E damage to the entire enemy team if they clump up.

Zetsü1 votes

I feel like you don't understand what makes a champion good. While I do think Ryze could use some tuning up, it's not for these reasons.

Death by Glamour1 votes

Until they change that point and click roit he will always need reworked

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