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Naoxyn··14 votes·1,789 views

I don't want to hate on Nidalee , I love her in game. But, I honestly feel the spears do too much damage. My example for this is my last ARAM game. Nidalee build as follows: item 3165 , item 3157 , item 3102 , item 3135 , item 3020 and item 3285 . She was almost one shotting a Soraka with upwards 3k hp. In what type of game is it "O.K." for a champ to one shot another and it isn't considered overpowered?

Banana's build: item 3027 , item 3158 , item 3116 , item 3050 , item 3067 and an item 3105 .

I understand that she doesn't really have any m.r., but does that excuse such high damage from one enemy ability? Should you be one shot by a Varus arrow for only having 70 armor with upwards of 3k hp?

Nidalee 's kit and abilities are what make her special, but when the spears ruin the game by doing that much damage (especially without the item 3089 ,) it isn't fun to play any more. I feel as if it opens the mind set of, "Get overpowered champ to win every game because they're overpowered. Not due to skill of the players or the hard work and coordination of the team. It's 5v5, not 5 run away or die.

There are a lot of Champs who still need some tweaking, but this is one that has come to my attention a lot. I honestly have no solution as to how to fix her as I'm not knowledgeable in the deeper specs/scaling of the game.

24 Comments

Abyssphere7 votes

Mathematically Nid can't burn through that much HP with one spear. She has about 500 AP and with a Luden's proc her spear does 550 (+ 130% AP), which is roughly 1200 damage. Soraka would lose probably a third of her HP from a max range Luden's spear.

Lugg3 votes

I don't think I have ever seen a Soraka with 3600 health. 2400 is much more realistic, which means the spear takes 50% of her health. We are talking a regular ability here, not an ultimate.

Abyssphere1 votes

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I don't think I have ever seen a Soraka with 3600 health. 2400 is much more realistic, which means the spear takes 50% of her health. We are talking a regular ability here, not an ultimate.

But look at her build. She has ROA, Rylai's, Aegis of the Legion and Kindlegem. That's 1450 bonus health which on top of her level 18 base HP, puts her at 3300. She doesn't have much MR at all (especially given Nid's flat AND % magic pen) but I vaguely estimated that what she does have would reduce the spear damage to at least the 1100 region, probably a bit less.

It's a regular ability, sure, and it would take ~40-45% of a 2400 HP Soraka, but even if it's a regular ability it's still rare for it to land much more often than an ultimate does. Honestly it's not massively far off what an empowered Jayce Q will do to you.

Lugg1 votes

That's an end game build. By the time she gets there, she will have died 10+ times. Plus her heals would be pretty weak. So I don't think that is a realistic build at all for her.

MohawkBird2 votes

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Abyssphere1 votes

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It's not rare to land when its on a 3 second cooldown.

So is Ez Q. He still misses the vast majority of them. Nidalee spears barely ever land, that's just... how it is.

MohawkBird2 votes

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Abyssphere1 votes

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Difference is Ez's Q doesn't chunk you for 90% of your HP in 1 hit.

Neither does Nid's most of the time. Nidalee spears landing is rare. Max range Nidalee spears? Even rarer. You deserve a reward for hitting the game's most difficult to hit skillshot at 1300+ range.

HouseCat011 votes

most difficult skillshot? Anivia's q would like a word with you... :D (same range as nid spear, and the slowest projectile IN THE GAME) but yes, nid spears are still difficult to land

Stiv12344 votes

I would like it having a stacking mana cost similarly to Koggles and Kassa Ulti. Like 50% more mana for each successive spear, so at rank 5 it would be either 90/135/180/225/270 or 90/135/202.5/303.75/454-ish depending on if you calculate linearly or exponentially, along with a stack duration of 15 seconds. That way she wouldnt be able to spam that fcking thing and hit nothing but one out of 100 and then she instantly kills you no matter.

kile1471 votes

I think it's an idea on the right track, but I feel like this would hurt her jungle clear more than it would hurt her poking. An idea that I think would be a lot cooler but harder to implement is make it so that the spear creates gray health (like on the new champ) but on champions it hits. With this change half of the damage of the spear will heal back if Nidalee or her teammates don't capitalize on the hit soon. This allows the spear to continue to be a powerful engage tool and still be a valid poking tool, but would prevent one or two lucky spear hits from forcing half the enemy team to return to base.

Stiv12341 votes

Since the rework I have literally never seen a Nidalee just standing in the back and spamming her spears to poke people and force them back. That makes sense; why should they let me go back when they could as well jump on me and burst me down? My problem with Nidalee is not her poke, you can go back after getting hit by the occasional spear. My problem is that she can jump on you when she hits her one out of thousand spears and just outright kill you (kinda like Blitzcrank). As for the jungle, she could have the mana cost returned if you hit a monster.

Curling Veigar4 votes

In what type of game is it "O.K." for a champ to one shot another and it isn't considered overpowered?

ahem Veigar

kile1472 votes

It's hard being evil and unappreciated for it.

LilxPaprika2 votes

Not to mention the cool down on it, up close its crap though. I'd prefer something like Kennan q. Its already a perk to be able to hit it at farther away range and have the abailitt to pounce after and get bonus dmg

Dalanin1 votes

Erm, She doesn't have an ult tho

Lugg4 votes

It's a regular ability with a 6 second CD with CDR. It is easily the most OP skill in the game. Needs MAJOR nerfing. It does more damage than 90% of the ults in the game. Definitely needs major nerfing.

im tilt1 votes

3k dmg with one spear? thats not even possible maximum dmg is 450 and with that build thats an additional 468 dmg at MAX range so 918 thats not even 1k and thats not even taking into account whatever mr raka has and even if nid had a rabadons thats 450 base max damage + 734 additional dmg at MAX range and thats only 1184 and then you have to realize how easy it is to juke considering how thin it is now please cry more Edit: down vote for what? im stating facts and you guys are just too busy crying to accept that

SaltyKracka1 votes

Oh, I bet you would have loved old nid.

She's less toxic now that she's a ridiculously bursty assassin, but jesus fuck old Nid was the worst.

Leaf of the lake1 votes

Void staff, sorc shoes, and mpen reds = you're doing true damage against a raka with no mr. I highly doubt it's one-shotting, either. Her spear does not do 3300 unmitigated damage, no matter how you build her.

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