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New Thresh Lantern Mechanic

Untiltable Teemo··38 votes·11,252 views

Please consider adding this to PBE just to try it out. Thresh and Mordekaiser are very similar in terms of their nature. They both revolve around death and spirit.

I think that Thresh's Dark Passage should allow an escape from Morde's Realm of Death. A sacrifice of some sort. Thresh collects souls with each death. Maybe a trade, where Thresh would sacrifice 30-40 souls in order to grant the person inside of Realm of Death a way out. Or where Thresh would trade places with the person inside refreshing the cooldown on the Ultimate. Ultimately, I just want more interactions within the game. I know that both champions tend to bug out sometimes, but that should not be that big of a problem since it only would affect them.

Please feel free to comment any suggestions or criticisms of this. I have mained both champions over the years, and I have at least a million mastery on each, and they seem perfect for such interaction.

48 Comments

rujitra19 votes

I don't think direct 1 on 1 interactions between champion kits is healthy for the game.

ye ok13 votes

Wasting 30-40 stacks of passive for this is a big NO, u basically lose 30+ armor that way (Im saying this because u never finish game with more than 150 stacks, and wasting that much to put urself in position to have less than 100 armor in 30+ min game is simply not worth it) remember, thresh has 16 base armor whole game, he doesn't get armor per level. Also Thresh is already S+ tier he doesn't really need this in my opinion

edit: if u really hate mordekaiser that much simply ban it

AllRigth3 votes

I think he is just suggesting it though, plus that would be optional. Saving some1 frum his ult should not be cheap

JuiceBoxP12 votes

It's actually very cheap.item 3140 1300 gold.

Ragnaveil2 votes

Bingo.

Daddy Ants2 votes

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It's actually very cheap.item 3140 1300 gold.

1300g and an item slot on an item that provides no combat stats.

Icy Hot Shoto2 votes

No, but the MR is pretty good. And it builds into an item that GIVES combat stats. item 3139. Mercurial Scimitar gives +50ad and +10% lifesteal along with the +35mr from QSS.

JuiceBoxP1 votes

No combat stats. 30 MR is no stats for you i guess.

Bârd1 votes

Compared to the BT, Visage, or Banshees that could be in that slot, it really isn't.

CaptainAntiHeroz1 votes

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It's actually very cheap.item 3140 1300 gold.

but then you just sit on the item because the rest of it isnt worthwhile because it literally only builds into item 3139

Untiltable Teemo3 votes

I don't hate him, I think it would just be cool to have in the game. Like rakan plus xayah, or kalista bind, or ornn passive. There aren't that many special champ to champ interactions.

ye ok2 votes

I understood your point, but look at that this way, Rakan & Xayah are far away from broken, Kalista bind too and so is Ornn's passive. Morde already has a lot of hard match-ups because of nerf that he received in past few patches and forcing him to ban Thresh because he's removing his key spell with 10 seconds cooldown spell is not worth it, especially if thresh is paying something in order to do that. Im not hating on your idea I like the way you think about that, but that's not the solution. Also the ones u mentioned (Kalista/Rakan+Xayah/Ornn) are team exclusive spells, Ornn isn't building items for enemy team same as Kalista isn't controling enemy champions with her ultimate. So if an ally Mordekaiser could pick lantern during his ultimate that would make more sense at this point.

Vlada Cut3 votes

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Wasting 30-40 stacks of passive for this is a big NO, u basically lose 30+ armor that way (Im saying this because u never finish game with more than 150 stacks, and wasting that much to put urself in position to have less than 100 armor in 30+ min game is simply not worth it) remember, thresh has 16 base armor whole game, he doesn't get armor per level. Also Thresh is already S+ tier he doesn't really need this in my opinion

edit: if u really hate mordekaiser that much simply ban it

Or buy QSS Banshee's Veil or just have Morgana E you.

Zojin99 votes

Great idea!

H0D0R7 votes

Morde is gonna have a million bugs with this, but I see potential.

Vlada Cut7 votes

Heck. No. Thresh loses his lead by sacrifising souls meaning he loses a lot of armor and E passive damage. He becomes too squishy then. Besides, I'd rather spam laugh taunt my Vayne getting one shot by Mordekaiser than save that Demacian hoe

Velzard of Koz2 votes

But she can't see you spamming that in the Shadow Realm. You are but a blue dot for her.

Vlada Cut2 votes

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But she can't see you spamming that in the Shadow Realm. You are but a blue dot for her.

That's the whole point. So she wouldn't see you laughing your ass off at her. Tun tun tuuun. If not, just photoshop a smiley's face on that blue dot and call it a day. : ^)

Tilthub5 votes

They should at least test it out though

Icy Hot Shoto5 votes

This idea is neat, however, there is one flaw.

Thresh and Morde come from two different places. Thresh is from the Shadow Isles, while Morde is from the Death Realm. As far as we know, Morde is the only one who can freely go in and out of the Death Realm. When the ruination happened, everyone struck ended up in a state of undeath, so they didn't actually die.

For this to make sense lore-wise, and Riot loves trying to tie everything together with lore now, they'd have to either move Morde back to the Shadow Isles or move Thresh to the Death Realm.

For the time being all we can do is buy qss and take cleanse unless Riot decides to do something else to make Morde ult less annoying.

Vlada Cut2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Icy Hot Shoto,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEmQVcUk,comment-id=000e,timestamp=2019-07-26T15:33:21.099+0000)

This idea is neat, however, there is one flaw.

Thresh and Morde come from two different places. Thresh is from the Shadow Isles, while Morde is from the Death Realm. As far as we know, Morde is the only one who can freely go in and out of the Death Realm. When the ruination happened, everyone struck ended up in a state of undeath, so they didn't actually die.

For this to make sense lore-wise, and Riot loves trying to tie everything together with lore now, they'd have to either move Morde back to the Shadow Isles or move Thresh to the Death Realm.

For the time being all we can do is buy qss and take cleanse unless Riot decides to do something else to make Morde ult less annoying.

Uh, no. Mordekaiser is from Immortal Bastion aka pre-Noxian, butnis in Death Realm now. That's like calling Xin Zhao a Demacian while he is from Ionia and his face profile makes it ao obvious, Jesus Christ. Plus even if they WERE both from Shadow Isles again(since they WERE in Mordekaoser's pre-rework lore) wouldn't Thresh want exactly the opposite from the OP's suggestion?

Icy Hot Shoto1 votes

My point was that Thresh can't reach the Death Realm the way Morde can. Morde can come and go as he pleases, he claimed it as HIS world basically. Assuming one only goes there if they die, and Thresh is undead and never died, Thresh never would've gone there and probably wouldn't know how to get in or out.

Why would Thresh want the opposite if he's helping his teammate? Wouldn't letting his teammate die be counter productive since he can't harvest their soul?

Original Sin4 votes

How about thresh being able to point and click q anyone across the whole map. Stop asking for more utility, he already has too much

Ryusaether4 votes

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What's the funniest part is I must waste inventory space and gold to escape Mordekaisers ult, FUN MECHANICS.

It's worse for Morde than you. With gold investment you can deny a crucial ability of a champ, while he can't prevent that.

JuiceBoxP3 votes

What? Burn 30-40 stacks for this? That's essentially crippling thresh. Just buy qss.

Summoner SpeII3 votes

i ban morde every game, problem solved HA

General Esdeath 3 votes

Just let people use item 3222 by clicking the champion icon

Ephixus2 votes

What's the funniest part is I must waste inventory space and gold to escape Mordekaisers ult, FUN MECHANICS.

FOR JUSTICE3 votes

implying champion kit taxes are something new

Wimbledofy1 votes

dying or killing him are also options to escape his ult.

floo2 votes

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What's the funniest part is I must waste inventory space and gold to escape Mordekaisers ult, FUN MECHANICS.

Qss builds into a useful item for any AD champion, and even for any ap/support the 1.3k is worth escaping inevitable death + some mr.

U R Good At Game4 votes

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What's the funniest part is I must waste inventory space and gold to escape Mordekaisers ult, FUN MECHANICS.

The fact that players consider QSS a waste is what is fucking hilarious. I'll never be amazed how much players just want to spam full dmg builds 0 utility 0 defense while also complaining dmg is high.

Blakiepug2 votes

Thresh doesn't need any more buffs...

PreShot2 votes

Sounds absolutely dumb. Just buy QSS like everyone else, leave my thresh alone.

NelsieLisnen2 votes

So there is a post suggesting that the game should include champion specific gameplay interactions solely based on lore and some people call it a good idea. Ok, let's give bonus damage to a team when they are all the same faction. OH OH, I know, since Aurelion Sol is a titanic cosmic dragon, he should be able to one-shot every champion with an autoattack, other than targonians. When he is in a game with targonians, they can control everything he does, even if he is the enemy. Or wait, I've got an even better idea. Garen can't do damage to Lux and vice versa since they are siblings. And Lux can't do damage to Sylas because she wanna smash. Likewise, Jarvan can't damage ANY Demacian since they are all his precious people. And Lucian gets a "revenge bonus" when against a Thresh, doing 100% increased damage to him. Also when he has a thresh support he automatically drops his guns, gives you the middle finger and goes AFK. And people wonder why Riot don't bother with league Boards, yeesh.

Tesladin2 votes

It would be good for the diversity of the game, from a purely gameplay standpoint it would be odd

mack91122 votes

Buy qss

PÍayer Support1 votes

RIOT

Ao Dracona1 votes

How about when thresh throws the lantern it automatically pulls any ally inside of it by re casting the ability so my adcs don’t go ???????????????? When they jump in 1v5 and a lantern is literally right there

Untiltable Teemo2 votes

I can tell u main thresh lol. I honestly think that thresh mains have the biggest temper in the whole league. But your not gonna reel in a fishing line even if fish are nearby right gotta wait for them to get hooked. Plus people would just troll with that

Padoµch1 votes

I just wanna see another book of Mordekaiser bugs being made! Good Idea!

Gear5Luffy1 votes

The swap mechanic could work

MattyFisher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Untiltable Teemo,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qEmQVcUk,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-26T08:10:56.711+0000)

Please consider adding this to PBE just to try it out. Thresh and Mordekaiser are very similar in terms of their nature. They both revolve around death and spirit.

I think that Thresh's Dark Passage should allow an escape from Morde's Realm of Death. A sacrifice of some sort. Thresh collects souls with each death. Maybe a trade, where Thresh would sacrifice 30-40 souls in order to grant the person inside of Realm of Death a way out. Or where Thresh would trade places with the person inside refreshing the cooldown on the Ultimate. Ultimately, I just want more interactions within the game. I know that both champions tend to bug out sometimes, but that should not be that big of a problem since it only would affect them.

Please feel free to comment any suggestions or criticisms of this. I have mained both champions over the years, and I have at least a million mastery on each, and they seem perfect for such interaction.

Here is another interaction that makes sense, they should make it so Morde cannot be isolated in the realm of death, because currently, Kha'zix destroys him, I feel like if you are in your own realm, you are far more suited to dealing with an oversized bug

Du Ma Mi2 votes

But the thing is, the Kha'zix is also isolated. So Morde's Q does bonus damage. It's a tradeoff, and really only an issue with a very selct set of champions. In all honesty, if you're up against a fed Kha'zix, just don't ult him unless you're prepared to sacrifice yourself for the teamfight.

huhndog1 votes

seems pretty cool. Riot probably won't allow it tho :(

Frostfel1 votes

Mordekaiser's ult has plenty of counter-play already and doesn't need a champion specific one. item 3140/item 3139 and item 3102 comes to mind, but also anything that removes /blocks CC in general also counters him. Not to mention you can partially stop it by outplaying within the ult, I've seen it happen alot already. Hell Gangplank being able to remove his ult on a low cd ability is already pretty bad. Overall you can stop Mordekaiser by being too tanky (mostly HP tanks in this meta), poking him down from range, or doing short quick trades because he will almost always win an extended trade.

So no I do not think he needs more counter play, just a bit of fine tuning.

The Trent1 votes

omg watching people who know nothing about lore talk about lore... Morde's death realm is literally one that he created himself. Thresh has nothing to do with it and can't do anything with it.

gabetheguy1 votes

this is a horrible idea and you should be ashamed for thinking of it.

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