Lee Sins 1 item 100-0 Combo

LbAeSaEmR··1 votes·514 views

I don't know if anyone else thinks its complete bs for a champ who has as much o.. EVERYTHING as lee does to also be able to be one of the few if only? Champs in the entire game to 100-0 anyone but a tank with just his jungle item WITH LITTLE TO NO COUNTERS.

Unless you buy a first item banshees to block his q or happen to have an exhaust always available his combo will kill you and you wont be able to do a damn thing about it because you will be stunlocked during it and dead by the time he recasts his q on you afterwards. God forbid you don't dodge all of his q's to avoid this but even then the smarter Lee's will ward hop right next to you first to guarantee you don't juke it or they miss and then completely destroy you. Does his damage need to be this obscene early on for him to be an effective jungler? I don't think so. His utility and overloaded kit already allow him to do so much more in a situation than most other champions that having him be able to kill just about anyone with only 1 ITEM is completely obscene.

As if his other strengths weren't apparent enough does he really need to have this level of damage tacked on as well?

And don't get my comment wrong, any early nerfs to his damage should be compensated later in the game. But his early and mid game power spike with such little gold investment into damage makes me question why there is even a champion limit. Because clearly anyone and everyone's grandmother should be playing Lee Sin and nothing else.

EDIT: I must be in bronze land where the majority of GD goes up against Lee's who cant do simple combos and run into turrets all game. In Gold and above a Lee main is an actual threat and his 1 item combo combined with overloaded kit is annoying as fuck. There is a reason in high elo's people are playing nothing but Zed mid and Lee jungle.

EDIT X2: Seems I was a day late on the Lee Sin hate train. Whereas the whiteknight Lee Sin mains yesterday came to downvote and troll my post, today the boards is filled with upvoted Lee Sin QQ... figure that.

21 Comments

laksjhdflkjah3 votes

He was FoTM last month go away and hop on the Tahm FoTM.

On a serious note his kit IS overloaded FOR PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO USE IT (like Jayce) so for most of us (anyone below Plat) we won't find players with the mechanics to do that. I think he's perfectly balanced in the hands of the average player.

Rito is also hesistant to change him because he's sort of a poster child.

LbAeSaEmR1 votes

Tahm is a problem aswell sure, but no other champion makes me personally more frustrated than a 1 item Lee sin being able to 100-0 combo you while youre stunned with just his jungle item. Other champions may get close to his damage but almost all other champions in the game including mages and unless fed will have to invest in a few auto attacks and some downtime aswell before killing someone.. but not for Lee.

laksjhdflkjah1 votes

100-0 with Lee on those conditions takes a lot of skill. If that happens then the Lee deserved the kill, or you made it too convenient. As said before, most Lees can't do this. (And Lee has to use AAs, passive) As for people who can 100-0 with one item with comparable downtime: LeBlanc Yasuo Annie Anivia Zyra Illaoi Darius...

If you are that frustrated by Lee use movespeed quints.

LbAeSaEmR1 votes

I don't understand this comment. How do movespeed quints help when Lees Q locks on to you and his R is targetable? You cant dodge every q especially when skilled Lees will ward hop next to you first to ensure they land it.

His combo isn't hard to pull off and anyone who has played only a decent amount of games on him can learn to do it, that doesn't mean a kill is "deserved" This whole notion of a champion can have any varying degree of power as long as they are hard to learn is a fundamentally flawed and wrong way of thinking. IF a champion existed that killed everything in 1 shot as long as you played perfectly would either be completely OP or broken all the time, so why is Lee allowed to have extra power at the expense of moderately more difficulty?

Illaoi is Riots latest balancing disaster and leblancs 100-0 combo has moments of counterplay. No other champion on that list will 100-0 you early to mid game with 1 item without autos or an ignite included.. except Lee.

laksjhdflkjah1 votes

Lee Auto Attacks For Passive/Damage Otherwise He Has 0 Energy Stop saying he doesn't need AA to 100-0 Even w/o autos or ignite: Still Annie, Zyra, Anivia (why is no autos even a condition? they are free, and if you did include autos then you can add Zed, Illaoi, Talon, Darius, Jax, .........) You can't dodge every Q but you sure can dodge some of them. If a Lee is in range to MELEE Q after a single ward hop then yes you should die because that's bad positioning. That's true for every champion against any champion. Respect area of influence. His combo IS hard to pull off. That's why average Lees are bad, good Lees are average, and great Lees are Gods. If you are in an enemy champion's zone and they play their cards right then they do deserve to come out on top. I do believe his skill ceiling is a fundamental flaw but I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, STUPENDOUSLY doubt that I will ever encounter a person who can play Lee this way, so idgaf.

LbAeSaEmR1 votes

Auto attacks include downtime of which Lee Sin has none of idc if he only has to auto once or twice his passive speeds it up considerably that's still nothing compared to how long other champions have to do the same amount of damage he does.

As for your other attempts at even trying to make it sound like Lees power is justified is a joke. No champion deserves God status I already said that in my last post. AND its not as hard to pull off as you say it is, im not sure which elo you're in but playing with plats and diamonds where there are probably considerably more experienced Lee players its a fucking issue.

Watch the play at 1:10 in this video idc how good you are no champion should be allowed to do both insane damage with 1 item and be able to do stupid shit like this. [(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GpKKG1MlLQ)]

Jetridder111 votes

Holy shit I just watched that clip, GRIPEX IS A FKING GOD

Troiann2 votes

I've played in plat.

Most lees are still garbage.

Girard1 votes

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LbAeSaEmR1 votes

You mean that thing that does stupid amounts of damage that's also an engage/disengage displacement tool that can hit multiple enemies for scaling damage? Yea what a waste of an ult that is.

Vith1 votes

Hyperbole or.. ?

LbAeSaEmR1 votes

Of course there are alot of Lee sin mains out there in denial..

Jetridder111 votes

C'mon, he's the 17th lowest winrate champion atm with 47%. Give him a break.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

I'm not saying lee sin is op but that an invalid argument for a high play rate champion. You can't just look at win rate for champs over a 10% play rate and lee's at a 30%+ play rate....

Jetridder111 votes

I know you can't. But what I'm saying is, he's not nearly what OP makes him out to be. If he was anywhere near what OP says, he would be higher, at least 50% winrate.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

if his play rate was lower yes but being at a 30% play rate means that it's not just dedicated mains but people who just want to enjoy the mobility lee sin has and will just play him cause he's there resulting in even 100+ games and still not being great at him even at above plat level. They just keep trying things because lee has the potential for it and execute it wrong or get lucky for it once and try it onward vs every enemy without adjustments.

Jetridder111 votes

That's exactly the point though. You don't create the meta/champions around a select few people who dedicated their lives to a champion. If you took Annie Bot only, yeah Annie will seem a lot stronger. But you take the statistics for the average player. You can't only look at the Lee mains. You have to look at the majority of players. Lee Sin having a large play rate means you only get a more accurate representation of where he is at, win rate wise, since you have everyone playing him, not only the gods.

If you did bend champions around the gods, then just nerf every single mid laner as long as Bjerg is around.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

All they have to do is lower lee sin's base movement speed to 325 and he'll be fine.

Dominick Destine1 votes

Lee Sin is overpowered, yes, that is correct.

LbAeSaEmR1 votes

Bump for Justice.

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